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Cy said:
Disagree. He just needs a #2 (and #3-5) who can be more consistent. No one is showing up to every game right now besides Hayward. I think Burks was starting to get it going, but who knows with this shoulder thing. Also maybe if Hayward had a better defense he could be a #1 option. Paul George is a #1 option on a great team despite not being the best individual offensive player because his team's defense is so good so he doesn't have to be a maniac every game to win.

Hayward has to play lights out every game for us to have a chance to win, especially if Favors is coasting through a game.
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Well, I am the guy who thought Hayward was going to be a complete bust when he first got drafted. So, I've been (very) wrong about him before.
 
Cy said:
He gets down on himself really easily. If a call doesn't go his way, or he starts missing some easy shots he gets down. Then he kind of fades away. Seems like if he doesn't get going early, he doesn't get going at all.
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sooo isn't that then something that a good coach would pick up on and make sure he gets some touches and post ups early ???
 
Cy said:
Hayward is a number 1. It's too bad we don't have a #2 or even a #3 right now.

Burks playing like a 4th option most of the season and Favors fades in and out of being an option at all.

Kanter and Burke can score and playmake but our huge defensive liabilities (Kanter has gotten better though).
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I don't think he can carry this team even with a #2 to anything more than bottom of the playoffs, never in the top 4. If that is your end game then yes he is a #1.

Burke and Kanter have been very disappointing on defense. I dont see the light at the end of the tunnel, but we have all year to find out.
 
Hayward played a great floor game tonight. He played good man defense most of the night (at the end got worse because he was overplaying to try to force steals), got his teammates involved, got out in transition, made a lot of steals, and got to the FT line. He basically did everything you would want out of your 1st option but he just had a bad shooting night. His floor game was #1 option worthy vs. a top 5 SF in the game.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I don't think he can carry this team even with a #2 to anything more than bottom of the playoffs, never in the top 4. If that is your end game then yes he is a #1.

Burke and Kanter have been very disappointing on defense. I dont see the light at the end of the tunnel, but we have all year to find out.
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You also thought Hayward couldn't do what he is doing now.
 
Cy said:
1st play of the game was a post up to Favors if I recall correctly.
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didn't see the early going, what else did they run after that ?

How long will it be before coach realises he has a pathetic jumpshooting team and changes the offense to suit ??
 
Cy said:
You also thought Hayward couldn't do what he is doing now.
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True. He's exceeded a lot of peoples expectations. However Hayward still has inconsistent shooting, free throws, and questionable leadership skills. All of this has to be taken into consideration.
 
Revolution 9 said:
True. He's exceeded a lot of peoples expectations. However Hayward still has inconsistent shooting, free throws, and questionable leadership skills. All of this has to be taken into consideration.
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lol

Hayward has a couple of games were he misses both FT's in a FT trip and all of the sudden he has questionable FT shooting. Career 81% FT shooter. That number isn't getting worse.
 
Pair Hayward with a PG who has a better drive/kick game and he would be a much better 1st option. Hayward has been going back to last year's Hayward where he has to do everything on the court for this team to win and he has to do it every minute he is on the court.
 
Cy said:
lol

Hayward has a couple of games were he misses both FT's in a FT trip and all of the sudden he has questionable FT shooting. Career 81% FT shooter. That number isn't getting worse.
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Hes missed too many crucial free throws this year in tight games. Only a homer would deny that. His leadership and questionable shooting you dont touch because you know its true.

So how good do you think we could be with Hayward and a #2?
 
The same two things I griped about in the last game are still happening....terrible starts (although to be fair they played a hell of a first quarter, they cant seem to play a hell of a first half ever though) and atrocious FT shooting. Once again if they hit all their FTs they win this game. If they hit just half of what they missed they are at least have a shot in the last minute.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Hes missed too many crucial free throws this year in tight games. Only a homer would deny that. His leadership and questionable shooting you dont touch because you know its true.

So how good do you think we could be with Hayward and a #2?
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Questionable Shooting? Ok, so he has 1 bad year of shooting and all of the sudden his shooting is questionable for the rest of his career. He has a bad shooting night "Oh, looks like 2013-2014 Hayward is back and will never leave!!!". Career 37% 3pt shooter. He is shooting around 37%-38% this year and his midrange game has been nasty. I've never questioned his shooting. He is a good shooter, he has off nights because his back hurts.

Leadership? You can only beat a dead horse so many times. The Utah Jazz are that dead horse and they are looking like one again. I don't think his leadership gets a chance to display itself because he has only been on losing teams. So far he has been the only one who has showed up to every game, even when his individual offense isn't there.
 
Cy said:
Questionable Shooting? Ok, so he has 1 bad year of shooting and all of the sudden his shooting is questionable for the rest of his career. He has a bad shooting night "Oh, looks like 2013-2014 Hayward is back and will never leave!!!". Career 37% 3pt shooter. He is shooting around 37%-38% this year and his midrange game has been nasty. I've never questioned his shooting. He is a good shooter, he has off nights because his back hurts.

Leadership? You can only beat a dead horse so many times. The Utah Jazz are that dead horse and they are looking like one again. I don't think his leadership gets a chance to display itself because he has only been on losing teams. So far he has been the only one who has showed up to every game, even when his individual offense isn't there.
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lol. Calm down Hayward lover. Geez, you are cute when angry though. I like it.

Again how good do you project a team with Hayward as the #1 which he is now, and a viable umber #2 option?
 
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