Following potential 2015 draftees
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The more I think about Hezonja, the more I like him. Seems to be the best athlete among the wings in the lottery and to have the most star potential. Also like that he would be somewhat NBA ready given his experience in Europe.
Haven't seen Winslow play much, but for sure more athletic than Johnson. Johnson is more power. Hezonja is pretty athletic.
His experience is kind of limited in Europe and his NBA-readiness is up for debate. He's barely ready for Europe basketball, he's playing less than Exum, for example(12 MPG, by new year's eve Exum would have played more minutes for the Jazz than Hezonja would for Barcelona in last 2 years).
Stitches is right about this one, he hasn't really cracked the rotation.
What is athletic for you? Verticality only? I define athletic as the whole package of quickness, verticality, lateral movement, foot speed and what you call "power". I don't think Hezonja's verticality matches Winslow's. But looking at the whole package he has a lot to offer and he's very "athletic for a white guy" if I'm allowed to speak in stereotypes.
100% agree. Stitches knows Europe! And numbers.
Exum is only gettting minutes becuase he is a part of the "future".
Hezonja is cracking a rotation on one of the best European teams is way more significant since he isn't a part of their future and him getting PT is actually because they think he helps them.
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You have a point about Exum and his playing time(he looks more and more raw to me with every game, if that's possible). And to think that a lot of people actually want him to start, only tells you just how bad Trey has been.
About Hezonja - ya, it seems like he's starting to crack the rotation, but I would still say his experience is very limited. Lets hope he gets to play more and more and our scouts get the chance to do some nice scouting before the draft.
Here's another article about Hezonja, btw:
https://euroleagueadventures.com/mario-hezonja-the-devil-is-in-the-defense/
And a couple of tweets about his latest game, info about Porzingis and Hernangomez(who is 20) included:
In other news, according to Greek media Aleksandar Vezenkov has entered into negotiations with Wasserman Media Group for representation on the US and NBA markets. It is expected for them to reach agreement by the end of next week and for Vezenkov to declare for the 2015 draft. He is averaging 16.7PPG, 8.6RPG, 1.6APG in 34MPG for Aris in the Greek league. He's also shooting 48% from 3.
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Anyone questioning Winslow athleticism really needs to see this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd7qzcyrbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDd7qzcyrbI
i want towns so bad...
Yes. His 3pointer was a dunk. Dude can sky.
mellow
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Don't do it. You fall in love with one of these prospects then you'll be slashing your wrists because some lottery balls don't bounce the right way and feeling gastrinal distress for the next 10-12 seasons as you watch him play well for another team. Just avoid all of the stress, wait until draft night for the Jazz to tell you what you need to know about their guy.
He is part of their reputation and part of their financial future. However a high profile prospect like Hezonja develops at Barcelona will reflect on their player development and they like every other team competing for the European crown of basketball absolutely need high level recruits. And an extra 3 Million from a buyout won't hurt as well.
Small market blues?
And people saying Utah Jazz wasn't a fitting name...
Chargers Jazz Angels
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there seems to be something to love and hate about all the players in this draft
okafor - great offense passive defense. might be ok with Gobert if Gobert continues to develope. favors has shown he can't make up for a partners lack of defense. another big issue is with okafor the jazz still have a porous exterior defense. right now I would pass on okafor
towns - seems to do well defensively but offense is still a work in progress. I think he would be great with favors. interior offense would but not as good but an upgrade defensively. I see towns having a brighter future than kanter. I would take towns #1
mudiay - he is interesting but eventually the jazz will have to declare a future pg for the jazz. I think median and exum could coexist but I think mudiay bolts first chance he gets. his decision to play in china boggles my mind. personally I want to put players around exum to make him successful and I don't see mudiay being that.
Winslow - love his defense and his offense has come along. his shot seems ok and should get more consistent. I think he would do well with Hayward at the 2 and Winslow at the 3 forcing burks back to the bench is perfect for me. I could live with Winslow but, sorry hantlers, I don't trust duke players.
hezonja - I have a love hate relation. I hate to love him. he has the cocky attitude a dominate scorer needs. he can do it all over the court. I worry about how he will mess with nba egos. his game reminds me a little of petrovic. I reserve the right to watch him a little more
porzingis - see above. I like him a lot and he is a mismatch every time he steps on the floor but I don't see a killer instinct in him. he has serious upside but I want more of a sure thing. he is so skinny and has seriously narrow shoulders. dang it I like him though
Johnson - I am a huge Johnson fan. more then anyone else mentioned he has the "it" factor. he can be an alpha dog. his shot is flat and he had no middle game but seems to have the drive to get better. players like him makes those around them better just with their attitude.
oubre - I said it earlier and I am saying it again stay away. he could have a nick young type of career or jr smith. explode scoring 1 night but then vanish but never give anything else to the team. a pure volume scorer.
looney - was a fan going in to the season and he hasn't disappointed. he needs to gain strength to be effective. he is another upside pick. is he a 4 or a 3? that is what is hurting him now.
wcs - is the wild pick. reminds me of Tyson chandler more then anyone I have seen. probably will lead the nba in block shots in his career. has some crazy to him but a good kind.
Myles turner - was very hot on but have cooled lately. great defense but no offense. I still think a stretch 4 would be a good spot for him. [suck it cy
] upside pick
Lavert - I am falling in love with. I like how he was not going to let Michigan lose (they did but not because of him). could be a solid defender with a good shooting stroke. if the jazz for some reason see themselves this far down in the draft take a long look here.
kaminsky - is a great stretch big with a beautiful stroke. would not mind the jazz getting another pick and taking him. plays decent d and plays on one of the slowest teams in college basketball.
okafor - great offense passive defense. might be ok with Gobert if Gobert continues to develope. favors has shown he can't make up for a partners lack of defense. another big issue is with okafor the jazz still have a porous exterior defense. right now I would pass on okafor
towns - seems to do well defensively but offense is still a work in progress. I think he would be great with favors. interior offense would but not as good but an upgrade defensively. I see towns having a brighter future than kanter. I would take towns #1
mudiay - he is interesting but eventually the jazz will have to declare a future pg for the jazz. I think median and exum could coexist but I think mudiay bolts first chance he gets. his decision to play in china boggles my mind. personally I want to put players around exum to make him successful and I don't see mudiay being that.
Winslow - love his defense and his offense has come along. his shot seems ok and should get more consistent. I think he would do well with Hayward at the 2 and Winslow at the 3 forcing burks back to the bench is perfect for me. I could live with Winslow but, sorry hantlers, I don't trust duke players.
hezonja - I have a love hate relation. I hate to love him. he has the cocky attitude a dominate scorer needs. he can do it all over the court. I worry about how he will mess with nba egos. his game reminds me a little of petrovic. I reserve the right to watch him a little more
porzingis - see above. I like him a lot and he is a mismatch every time he steps on the floor but I don't see a killer instinct in him. he has serious upside but I want more of a sure thing. he is so skinny and has seriously narrow shoulders. dang it I like him though
Johnson - I am a huge Johnson fan. more then anyone else mentioned he has the "it" factor. he can be an alpha dog. his shot is flat and he had no middle game but seems to have the drive to get better. players like him makes those around them better just with their attitude.
oubre - I said it earlier and I am saying it again stay away. he could have a nick young type of career or jr smith. explode scoring 1 night but then vanish but never give anything else to the team. a pure volume scorer.
looney - was a fan going in to the season and he hasn't disappointed. he needs to gain strength to be effective. he is another upside pick. is he a 4 or a 3? that is what is hurting him now.
wcs - is the wild pick. reminds me of Tyson chandler more then anyone I have seen. probably will lead the nba in block shots in his career. has some crazy to him but a good kind.
Myles turner - was very hot on but have cooled lately. great defense but no offense. I still think a stretch 4 would be a good spot for him. [suck it cy
] upside pickLavert - I am falling in love with. I like how he was not going to let Michigan lose (they did but not because of him). could be a solid defender with a good shooting stroke. if the jazz for some reason see themselves this far down in the draft take a long look here.
kaminsky - is a great stretch big with a beautiful stroke. would not mind the jazz getting another pick and taking him. plays decent d and plays on one of the slowest teams in college basketball.
there seems to be something to love and hate about all the players in this draft
okafor - great offense passive defense. might be ok with Gobert if Gobert continues to develope. favors has shown he can't make up for a partners lack of defense. another big issue is with okafor the jazz still have a porous exterior defense. right now I would pass on okafor
towns - seems to do well defensively but offense is still a work in progress. I think he would be great with favors. interior offense would but not as good but an upgrade defensively. I see towns having a brighter future than kanter. I would take towns #1
mudiay - he is interesting but eventually the jazz will have to declare a future pg for the jazz. I think median and exum could coexist but I think mudiay bolts first chance he gets. his decision to play in china boggles my mind. personally I want to put players around exum to make him successful and I don't see mudiay being that.
Winslow - love his defense and his offense has come along. his shot seems ok and should get more consistent. I think he would do well with Hayward at the 2 and Winslow at the 3 forcing burks back to the bench is perfect for me. I could live with Winslow but, sorry hantlers, I don't trust duke players.
hezonja - I have a love hate relation. I hate to love him. he has the cocky attitude a dominate scorer needs. he can do it all over the court. I worry about how he will mess with nba egos. his game reminds me a little of petrovic. I reserve the right to watch him a little more
porzingis - see above. I like him a lot and he is a mismatch every time he steps on the floor but I don't see a killer instinct in him. he has serious upside but I want more of a sure thing. he is so skinny and has seriously narrow shoulders. dang it I like him though
Johnson - I am a huge Johnson fan. more then anyone else mentioned he has the "it" factor. he can be an alpha dog. his shot is flat and he had no middle game but seems to have the drive to get better. players like him makes those around them better just with their attitude.
oubre - I said it earlier and I am saying it again stay away. he could have a nick young type of career or jr smith. explode scoring 1 night but then vanish but never give anything else to the team. a pure volume scorer.
looney - was a fan going in to the season and he hasn't disappointed. he needs to gain strength to be effective. he is another upside pick. is he a 4 or a 3? that is what is hurting him now.
wcs - is the wild pick. reminds me of Tyson chandler more then anyone I have seen. probably will lead the nba in block shots in his career. has some crazy to him but a good kind.
Myles turner - was very hot on but have cooled lately. great defense but no offense. I still think a stretch 4 would be a good spot for him. [suck it cy
Lavert - I am falling in love with. I like how he was not going to let Michigan lose (they did but not because of him). could be a solid defender with a good shooting stroke. if the jazz for some reason see themselves this far down in the draft take a long look here.
kaminsky - is a great stretch big with a beautiful stroke. would not mind the jazz getting another pick and taking him. plays decent d and plays on one of the slowest teams in college basketball.
How does playing in China boggle your mind? He got paid to play over there and confirmed to everyone that he can ball. He also signed some sweet endorsement deals and is just getting paid to workout now.
No one thinks Looney is a 3....
It was a serious question.... we don't need another guy who has great body/size/skill but will take 4-5 more years to develop an offensive game (Favors).
If we're taking a big, we need someone who has very good offensive instinct to pair with Gobert.
He can hit open jumpers, even possibly extending to NBA 3p range(This and his passing are pretty much the perfect skills in a big you want to combine with Rudy). He also has some rudimentary post game, which can be developed. He's trying to hit some hooks, too...
If you expect him to have immediate impact in year 1, though, you'd be disappointed. It will probably take some time(probably not 4-5 years, though).
He's a bit weird for me. I see great potential in offense and good potential in defense, but I don't think he's there either on offense or in defense, yet. What he has right now at a very high level that you can expect to translate right away is his passing and possibly him hitting some open shots.
That's exactly the sense I get as well hence the my concern.