Anyone invested in the market

[Carbon13]

Agree with Dalamon, at the end of the day, it comes down to our consumption. We sure as hell aren't going to innovate our way off of hydrocarbons any time soon!

 

[Deleted member 848]

The flip side of that argument is we let trees fall in the forests, and leaves, and whatever else there is, just sit there in our pristine "nature" and slowly turn to oil residues, and with the help of bacteria it comes out smelling like the woods we know, and we go there to enjoy "fresh" air and inhale campfire smoke and eat charred marshmallows.

This is an extremely leaky flip-side argument.

You do raise an interesting point with how objective science really is, but that doesn't nullify the obvious danger that fracking raises.

 

[Dr. Jones]

This is an extremely leaky flip-side argument.

You do raise an interesting point with how objective science really is, but that doesn't nullify the obvious danger that fracking raises.

Nice, but unnecessary, olive branch.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The best way is to go nuclear, in the highest, cleanest, safest way we can. Cold fusion, anyone?

How long will that take? Should we continue to increase rampant fossil fuel consumption in the mean-time? The world can't even figure out the 'easier' form of fusion.

 

[Carbon13]

How long will that take? Should we continue to increase rampant fossil fuel consumption in the mean-time? The world can't even figure out the 'easier' form of fusion.

I hate to say it, but I think that pretty much sums it up. As a society, we simply aren't there yet in terms of clean energy. So what are our alternatives?

Here's a really smart guy who knows a lot about the subject. In the opinion of some guy on the internet, I think he has it right.
https://www.wired.com/2013/11/vaclav-smil-wired/

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Solar and wind aren't clean energy?

 

[Carbon13]

Solar and wind aren't clean energy?

They are but I'm just not so sure they alone can power an economy. I think that there will be a place for them, but I think the extremely fast growth of the world will outpace what they can provide.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I hate to say it, but I think that pretty much sums it up. As a society, we simply aren't there yet in terms of clean energy. So what are our alternatives?

Here's a really smart guy who knows a lot about the subject. In the opinion of some guy on the internet, I think he has it right.
https://www.wired.com/2013/11/vaclav-smil-wired/

Agree with him on the grounds of the importance of reduction. Strongly agree, in fact.

 

[Carbon13]

Hope I'm wrong!

From what I understand, a big problem with solar and wind is also battery technology. Keep an eye on batteries as well.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

They are but I'm just not so sure they alone can power an economy. I think that there will be a place for them, but I think the extremely fast growth of the world will outpace what they can provide.

What about water? Can we not use water in a way to provide clean energy?

 

[Carbon13]

What about water? Can we not use water in a way to provide clean energy?

We definitely can. But again, I think it's just such a small part of the big picture.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

We definitely can. But again, I think it's just such a small part of the big picture.

Which is can these companies make a big enough profit off of whatever they're investing in?

 

[Deleted member 848]

They are but I'm just not so sure they alone can power an economy. I think that there will be a place for them, but I think the extremely fast growth of the world will outpace what they can provide.

I would disagree. A coalition of clean energies along with a country-wide emphasis, and concentration on maintaining ecological-integrity would get a lot done.

 

[Deleted member 848]

We definitely can. But again, I think it's just such a small part of the big picture.

This book does a good job debunking this myth. Try and track it down at a local library if you can, and if you're interested.

 

[Carbon13]

Here's a pretty sobering but informative article in case your interested in the state of renewable energies.

https://www.vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/scientificamerican0114-521.pdf

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I would disagree. A coalition of clean energies along with a country-wide emphasis, and concentration on maintaining ecological-integrity would get a lot done.

Agreed. And a stronger emphasis placed on reducing energy usage...somehow.

 

[Carbon13]

This book does a good job debunking this myth. Try and track it down at a local library if you can, and if you're interested.

I'll google it, thanks.

 

[Carbon13]

I would disagree. A coalition of clean energies along with a country-wide emphasis, and concentration on maintaining ecological-integrity would get a lot done.

I don't disagree at all!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Solar and wind aren't clean energy?

No..

 

[Dr. Jones]

Dala...

We should talk about a business plan I have regarding solar/water/whatever.. it's a MASSIVE money maker.