Game thread: jazz play a game in a couple of hours, the Timberpups edition.

[Stifle Tower]

Also, LMAO @ Rev 9, thinking we should be impressed with Trey.


Hayward -26 pts
Trey - 26 pts.

Difference is, Hayward only took 16 FGA's.

I truly hope Trey plays himself into a decent trade, but it is going to take a lot for me to think he is actually an efficient player, or one that we should keep long term. I'm in the canp that his antics and limitations actually hurt the development of our other players.

PG's generally don't get to the line as much as #1 options. Hayward passed up a few shots early in the game. Seriosuly, you're complaining about a guard shooting 47% overall and 50% on his 3's last night? Does he sometimes shoot too much? Yes - and a lot of times when he's cold. But Trey had the hot hand; you ride a player who is in the zone. We criticize Exum for being timid, but we want Trey driving less? If Trey gets the same opportunities and is shooting as well as he did last night, let him take 18 FG's. And then when teams feel they have to stop him, they start leaving Kanter or someone else open.

 

[Edgewriter]

Even if the Jazz were undefeated, many on this board would still be saying that Trey or Kanter or Favors suck. During the Stockton/Malone Finals years if this board had existed, people would be clamoring for Jerry to be fired.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Even if the Jazz were undefeated, many on this board would still be saying that Trey or Kanter or Favors suck. During the Stockton/Malone Finals years if this board had existed, people would be clamoring for Jerry to be fired.

Trey does suck. One game doesn't a player make.

 

[Stoked]

Also, LMAO @ Rev 9, thinking we should be impressed with Trey.


Hayward -26 pts
Trey - 26 pts.

Difference is, Hayward only took 16 FGA's.

I truly hope Trey plays himself into a decent trade, but it is going to take a lot for me to think he is actually an efficient player, or one that we should keep long term. I'm in the canp that his antics and limitations actually hurt the development of our other players.

Not as big of an issue in this game as normal. Yes Hayward is more efficient, no surprise there. But Burke still shot 47.6%, 50% from 3 with 6 asists, 4 rebounds and no TOs. He had a good game and not acknowledging that smacks of hating for the sake of hating.

He has shown that he can do it. Question now is will he do it enough to matter?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Trey does suck. One game doesn't a player make.

The man underneath you obviously thinks he still has upside. I'm at least encouraged by the work QS is doing with Trey. Harpring noted one of the things they've been working on actually resulted in a basket last night. Trey is never going to be 6'5" or make the all-defensive team. But if he can improve his shooting to the 45%/38% range, he can perhaps be a mid-level starter, and possibly - if Dante develops - one of the best backups in the league. Or a solid trade chip.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I am not complaining about Trey's performance last night, and I am not hating for the sake of hating. I am just not impressed like Rev thinks I should be. He had a decent game, it wasn't incredible. Taking 21 shots to score 26 is never impressive to me.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Let's be realistic about his shooting % last night, it was vs the Wolves.

Put together a stretch of 5 games above 45%m and then I'll be impressed, seriously.

 

[Stifle Tower]

He had a good game and not acknowledging that smacks of hating for the sake of hating.

He has shown that he can do it. Question now is will he do it enough to matter?

I've been a Trey critic for 1 1/2 years. However, I LOVE my Jazz. And they'd be a helluva lot better if Trey could develop into a decent starter. Dante still is a long ways off from being an NBA starter. He's not even a great backup right now. I will gladly eat crow if Trey could consistently shoot 45%/38%.

 

[Stoked]

I am not complaining about Trey's performance last night, and I am not hating for the sake of hating. I am just not impressed like Rev thinks I should be. He had a decent game, it wasn't incredible. Taking 21 shots to score 26 is never impressive to me.

Despite the good %s and other facets of the game?

If not I disagree but fair enough.

 

[Stoked]

I've been a Trey critic for 1 1/2 years. However, I LOVE my Jazz. And they'd be a helluva lot better if Trey could develop into a decent starter. Dante still is a long ways off from being an NBA starter. He's not even a great backup right now. I will gladly eat crow if Trey could consistently shoot 45%/38%.

I have been a Burke supporter but not nearly at the level of some others. I really try to avoid the constant bashing of our players that some seem to enjoy.

Having said that. I am starting to slowly become more pesimistic on Burke. He needs to figure it out and soon. There is still hope, take Kanters recent improvement, but I'm starting to waiver a little.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I would also gladly eat crow if Trey could shoot 45 and 38, but the thing is, a jump from .368 and .315 is a jump of 8.2% and 3.5%-- a pretty unrealistic expectation.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Despite the good %s and other facets of the game?

If not I disagree but fair enough.

He had a better floor game, but his D was still embarassing at times, and he still dribbled past a couple PnR's with the bigs for less good shots, which he happened to make. Decent, but not impressive TBH.

I want the kid to succeed. I don't want us to be out an assett.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So you are in the spend less camp as a recipe to the title?

Nope. I'm in the spend wisely camp. You don't throw out huge contracts to aging veterans and players with questionable attitudes and/or work ethics. You try to build a team with complementary talents, not just players who all need to be the #1 or #2 options.

How many times has SA exceeded the luxury tax in their pursuit of titles?

 

[Stifle Tower]

I would also gladly eat crow if Trey could shoot 45 and 38, but the thing is, a jump from .368 and .315 is a jump of 8.2% and 3.5%-- a pretty unrealistic expectation.

Maybe 45% is unrealistic, but I don't think a leap to 38% on 3's is that much. That's average for a PG or wing. DMC made a leap from 28% to 38% under QS' guidance. It mainly equates, IMO, to better shot selection. I go back to Snyder's comment about a 7% difference between contested vs.. uncontested shots. Trey just needs to take good shots. Last night he only had a couple where I was almost 100% sure he was going to miss (awkward and off balance). Ironically, he did hit that one in the 4th falling off to his left. That was not a good shot for him to take, though.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Maybe 45% is unrealistic, but I don't think a leap to 38% on 3's is that much. That's average for a PG or wing. DMC made a leap from 28% to 38% under QS' guidance. It mainly equates, IMO, to better shot selection. I go back to Snyder's comment about a 7% difference between contested vs.. uncontested shots. Trey just needs to take good shots. Last night he only had a couple where I was almost 100% sure he was going to miss (awkward and off balance). Ironically, he did hit that one in the 4th falling off to his left. That was not a good shot for him to take, though.

Agreed. If Q could take the Mo Williams out of Trey, I would like him a whole lot more.

 

[orangello]

Love seeing all the Trey haters shut up. I thought he played well last night too in LA. Forcing it less, playing with energy, and with more focus. The hatred for trey has been unwarranted, and over the top. Yes he's been frustrating, but hes also had good games, a solid rookie year, and is still a baby. Give him a chance to grow before throwing him to the wolves at 22.

It's one good game. Don't overreact.

He's still hurting this team and I'm not so sure he's got much left before hitting his ceiling as an NBA player.

 

[kabenac]

I want Burke to play PG and get more assists while becoming a better defender. It's not easy to do in this system as a PG but he can do it. I've seen him make some nice passes over his brief career. If he makes the players around him better he'll get easier scoring opportunities.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Luv Trey

 

[UGLI baby]

I watched this game.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Maybe 45% is unrealistic, but I don't think a leap to 38% on 3's is that much. That's average for a PG or wing. DMC made a leap from 28% to 38% under QS' guidance. It mainly equates, IMO, to better shot selection. I go back to Snyder's comment about a 7% difference between contested vs.. uncontested shots. Trey just needs to take good shots. Last night he only had a couple where I was almost 100% sure he was going to miss (awkward and off balance). Ironically, he did hit that one in the 4th falling off to his left. That was not a good shot for him to take, though.

38% is above average--only two teams are shooting above that this season. I doubt he'll ever hit that considering he is unathletic and can't get open, is short and always has bigger defenders on him, and sucks at the spot-up three.

I could live with 43.5%/35.5% tbh.