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Kings willing to deal Stauskas

Catchall said:
Calling Favors a 'bust' when he was virtually the youngest guy in the league with the Nets is a bit of a stretch. The Nets were trying to recruit superstars and win now. They bricked trying to get Carmello and KOC sold them on DWill. Favors was oozing with potential. I'm not sure Stauskas is.
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I would give my left nut to get Stauskus.
 
Stifle Tower said:
That's why I said Stauskas may not be the guy. But if there's a real concern about keeping Kanter, then at least get an asset. So trade him for a pick and an expiring if you don't want an extra contract. Personally, I'd take a top-10 pick like Stauskas. Shooters are extremely valuable. You could bring him in and split the minutes between him and Hood (sorry, Elijah). Either one can be an asset in another trade down the road. Makes much more sense than Kanter getting a deal for $10M+ and the Jazz then deciding not to match.

Perhaps if it weren't for the number of bigs in the draft, I might be inclined to say keep Kanter. Then again, that very fact might decrease his trade value...unless a team is desperate to do "something," which it appears is the current state of the Kings.
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Don't trade a guy just to trade him because you don't think you can keep him, or because you think you can't lose him for nothing. That line of thinking can kill a franchise.


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Catchall said:
Well, lets see if they match up today.
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Unless Enes gets a DNP-CD. And watch the board blow up!

Would be funny if then in the post-game, Quin said there was no trade, he, DL and Enes just wanted to mess with the fans who wanted a trade to happen.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Don't trade a guy just to trade him because you don't think you can keep him, or because you think you can't lose him for nothing. That line of thinking can kill a franchise.


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Didn't we do that with Deron?

How did that work out?


Oh yeah, it was one of the best decisions the franchise ever made.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Don't trade a guy just to trade him because you don't think you can keep him, or because you think you can't lose him for nothing. That line of thinking can kill a franchise.


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So OKC, who knew they couldn't afford to keep Harden, traded him to get as many assets as they could. And Miller and KOC, who thought there was a HUGE chance of Deron not staying, traded him for Favors, Harris, the pick that became Enes and the pick that was included to move up and get Trey. Should neither team have made those deals? It's just the opposite: not trading away players who have legitimate value, but who a team cannot keep, hurts a franchise. One caveat to that is cap space can also be a real asset, too (the reason Big Al and Millsap were not traded for longer-term contracts). If you neglect to look at the future and when/how much contracts will be, then you may very well end up with another Matthews situation: a promising youngster has to be let go to avoid paying the tax. And that tax is much more punitive under this CBA.

Is Enes in the long-term plans of the Jazz? I would say no. He might have been, but Gobert has come along and pushed him out of the starting lineup. Even in the history of the Jazz, very good players have been moved so others could take over (Green to make way for Stockton, Dantley so Malone could become the #1 option, etc.). Denver just traded Mozgov so Nurkic could take over. I used to be in the "match at all costs" camp, until I sat down and ran the numbers. There is NO way Hayward, Favors and Gobert don't get offered max (or near max) contracts. That's potentially $60M under the new cap/tax. Even at an $88M/cap and $100M/tax threshold, adding a non-starter at $12M-$15M leaves little room to have any others outside of vet minimum and rookie deals. Maybe one or two players near the MLE...but that's it.

TBH, I think a couple of bigs in the draft bring potentially more to the Jazz at a fraction of the cost. And Utah can go a couple of ways: draft another PF and Favors becomes the backup 5 behind Gobert. Or get a backup 5 and the PF is covered by Favors and Booker. Even Tomic might be in the mix. WE just don't need Enes.
 
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Thee jazz fan said:
Don't trade a guy just to trade him because you don't think you can keep him, or because you think you can't lose him for nothing. That line of thinking can kill a franchise.


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No one is saying trade him for nothing or do it just because.

You do it because it makes sense on many levels. But you only make the move if you get something good back. Stauskas is something good


I can't believe this is so hard to comprehend for some people.

And Im extremely surprised there is so much pushback on wanting to aquire a potentially great shooter. Especially for the system we run, and what are weaknesses are.
 
ONE LOVE said:
He's listed as a starter. Oh well.
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See, this crap is why Kanter is a problem. NOBODY, not even Kanter, believes that Kanter should be starting right now. He is not the better player now, he is not the better player in the future. He lost his starting spot legitimately, and needs to be playing WAY less minutes than Gobert. A dollar waiting on a dime. . .
 
framer said:
See, this crap is why Kanter is a problem. NOBODY, not even Kanter, believes that Kanter should be starting right now. He is not the better player now, he is not the better player in the future. He lost his starting spot legitimately, and needs to be playing WAY less minutes than Gobert. A dollar waiting on a dime. . .
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Utah is playing for a pick, not trying to win now. If there was any doubt about this before, there shouldn't be any now. Maximizing assets>>>winning a few extra games in a rebuilding year.
 
freakazoid said:
The difference is selling high compared to selling low. The Deron trade isn't really comparable to dumping a player when their trade value is low.
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How is Enes' value EVER going to be higher? Do you propose paying him $10M-$15M and then having him come off the bench? That would give him much less value than as a starter coming off a rookie deal. Obviously a team that trades for him is going to have to want to match an offer this summer. I guess if Kanter "blows up" then he would be a value at $15M. But what if he remains pretty much as is? Face it, unless we keep blaming Ty and Jerry fro stunting his growth, we have to acknowledge Enes is pretty much the player he's always been. He's made some progress, but not a lot. He could always shoot and get offensive rebounds, but he could never defend. He's still that same player.
 
Cy said:
Kings might be hanging up that phone after this game doe.
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For real.

It's especially bad because he got benched.

A smart GM would knock that deal out before the Spurs game when all his flaws will get exposed.
 
Hack said:
For real.

It's especially bad because he got benched.

A smart GM would knock that deal out before the Spurs game when all his flaws will get exposed.
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Smart GM would have never drafted Kanter tbh. (Damn you KOC!!!)
 
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