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Is Exum The Worst Player in The NBA Who Gets Minutes?

And if his stats were super-duper, they'd also mean nothing?

The fact that you don't understand the difference screams agenda to me. You've been on this trash Exum mission for quite a while. If I had to guess, you're probably trying to back up a prediction from pre-draft or something. I don't blame fans for having their doubts, but you've been on this anti-Exum kick since very early, and it appears to me that you somehow have a horse in this race, as compared to being objective like most of the doubters.
 
I've noticed this too. He avoids any kind of contact at all cost.

#CantTouchMe

Bull ****. Stitches posted a clip of Dante boxing out friggin' Bogut successfully. I don't think he's afraid of contact so much as letting his teammates down. I was at the Portland game with good seats, and one of the first plays of the game was Dante driving in the lane and missing a floater. He's obviously afraid of something, but I believe he just doesn't want his teammates pissed at him for missing shots when he could have passed it to them. If that's the case, he WILL overcome this once he starts having some success offensively.
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Having said that, I can understand why people might think he's afraid of getting creamed by driving to the basket. Boxing out a big man like Bogut proves this kid isn't afraid of contact, but driving in the lane and getting hammered is a lot easier way to get hurt than boxing out. I wouldn't blame him for being afraid of getting hurt by driving to the rim, but right now I'm convinced his problem is not wanting to let his teammates down by missing shots, which is something he'll overcome with experience.
 
Bull ****. Stitches posted a gif of Dante boxing out friggin' Bogut successfully. I don't think he's afraid of contact so much as letting his teammates down. I was at the Portland game with good seats, and one of the first plays of the game was Dante driving in the lane and missing a floater. He's obviously afraid of something, but I believe he just doesn't want his teammates pissed at him for missing shots when he could have passed it to them. If that's the case, he WILL overcome this once he starts having some success offensively.
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Having said that, I can understand why people might think he's afraid of getting creamed by driving to the basket. Boxing out a big man like Bogut proves this kid isn't afraid of contact, but driving in the lane and getting hammered is a lot easier way to get hurt than boxing out. I wouldn't blame him for being afraid of getting hurt by driving to the rim, but right now I'm convinced his problem is not wanting to let his teammates down by missing shots, which is something he'll overcome with experience.

I think a lot of it is his legs being gone. I know he is more explosive vertically than he has shown, I think he is just super fatigued, so he probably doesn't have confidence in his legs to really get him near the rim to finish.

I think Exum has a good frame, so I'm excited to see him when he gets buff, but right now he is a skinny bitch with a crane neck.
 
I have never disagreed with any Jazz fan more than I disagree with Cy.

Cy is a pretty good poster overall, and I respect his opinion for the most part. Having said that, I think his objectivity leaves a lot to be desired at times. The Kanter hate dates back to his insistence that JV was the better pick, IMO. He may have been right about that, but the jury is still out for sure, and I think he just wants recognition for being right.
 
I have never disagreed with any Jazz fan more than I disagree with Cy. He seems to be in love with Trey Burke and hates Dante Exum and looks for every opportunity to make excuses for the former and point out the faults of the latter. I do the opposite to a lesser degree with Exum/Burke. I do come up with what I feel like are justified excuses for Exum and really don't think Burke is very good. And if I recall correctly Cy spent a lot of time defending Corbin when he was here, but I could be wrong. So I just ignore him for the most part, although I think it's nice to have a differing perspective to test my own biases.

Definitely don't love Burke. I think he overall sucks for the most part, but I'm less frustrated with his style of suck (over confident sucking) than Exum's (under confident sucking).
 
Why can't we put this to bed as Exum being nothing less than underwhelming so far but still very young and raw? I don't get why so many are offended that some question what he can become when he hasn't shown much in the way of pretty much anything aside from his excellent court vision and speed. I hope the best for him and still think he can get there, but the best of the best of the best usually show up for show no matter how young and raw.
 
Why can't we put this to bed as Exum being nothing less than underwhelming so far but still very young and raw? I don't get why so many are offended that some question what he can become when he hasn't shown much in the way of pretty much anything aside from his excellent court vision and speed. I hope the best for him and still think he can get there, but the best of the best of the best usually show up for show no matter how young and raw.
So damn reasonable
 
Bull ****. Stitches posted a clip of Dante boxing out friggin' Bogut successfully. I don't think he's afraid of contact so much as letting his teammates down. I was at the Portland game with good seats, and one of the first plays of the game was Dante driving in the lane and missing a floater. He's obviously afraid of something, but I believe he just doesn't want his teammates pissed at him for missing shots when he could have passed it to them. If that's the case, he WILL overcome this once he starts having some success offensively.
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Having said that, I can understand why people might think he's afraid of getting creamed by driving to the basket. Boxing out a big man like Bogut proves this kid isn't afraid of contact, but driving in the lane and getting hammered is a lot easier way to get hurt than boxing out. I wouldn't blame him for being afraid of getting hurt by driving to the rim, but right now I'm convinced his problem is not wanting to let his teammates down by missing shots, which is something he'll overcome with experience.

He is a really weird case. I can't quite figure him out yet. Cy might have a point about his legs being dead... you have to realize that he's been playing basketball for close to 8 months without any rest after not playing any basketball in the previous 7 months. He got in SLC after the draft, had summer league(6-7 games), had pre-world cup camp(10 games), World Cup(6-7 games), then a week later he had to be in SLC for pre-season(6-7 games), then has had 50 games in 4 months in the league. He's already had about 80 games in the last 8 months and he's said that the most he's had before that is about 25-30 games in a year. That must be a crazy increase both in quantity of the games and in the quality of the competition.

I have no idea what's with him not attacking the rim even when he has clear path to it. If you remember summer league, he tried to dunk twice through defenders but got hard fouled and had to be scraped off of the floor. I wonder if this has something to do with his hesitation. Just look at him even when he attacks the rim. It's like... he searches in the lane, probes... and looks for the pass... and looks... and looks... and then sees that he's almost at the rim and there's nobody around him and he flicks a somewhat weird layup without even jumping much off the floor, simply because he seems shocked that he's gotten that far without anybody picking him up... I think this has to change. When he goes in the paint he needs to go with the idea to score first and pass second. The thought process should be:
0. get into the paint
1. attack the rim
2. if not possible(i.e. if it's well defended) seek the interior pass
3. if not possible swing it to the corner 3 or outside of the paint

What he seems to be doing right now can be characterized this way:
0. get into the paint
1. probe and looks for the interior pass...
2. look for another pass ... maybe go to the baseline for the pass to the corner 3
3. if by any chance you are allowed close to the rim without anybody around you... maybe you can lay it up... but no... that's never going to happen... just look for the pass...

To me he genuinely looks surprised when he gets close to the rim and some of his layups look off-balance and scared, like he's trying to avoid a non-existing defender... he changes his shot on the layups because he expects it to be blocked or something... I really just want to see him go to the rim decisively and consistently... I want to see him attack the rim like he means it, not like he's found himself under the rim by accident and he wonders if he should shoot it or get out of there before he turns it over...
 
The reason he doesn't attack the rim is because his handles are loose as hell. This is painfully obvious as I've seen him try to drive on plenty of occasions only to prematurely back out because his initial moves are not good enough to create space. To the untrained eye, it would seem that he's not trying because his attempts get shut down so early. They get shut down so early because he doesn't have the skills to pull off a crossover, a between the leg, or a change of direction at fast speeds without losing control. He can't even get the ball across the half court without having to turn his back to the defender. Because of this, Exum's main priority right now should be to practice his ball handling skills (yes, even over his miserly shooting).
 
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How much I watched him at UCLA has nothing to do with their future in the NBA.

Stop changing the subject. Weak sauce.

How the **** is it changing the subject? Essentially, you're saying that you don't need to watch someone play basketball in order to evaluate how well they play basketball. You're fully living up to your avatar name.

You're a ****ing joke.
 
Lol

Cmon Hants. Lighten up. You gotta admit. That was good. You guys questioned my assertion, so I pulled up the perfect thread.

If you search Chad Ford on Jazzfanz a zillion threads pop up.


All I'm saying is, people use national writers to back their opinions, and confirm their suspicions all the time. And to me, it doesn't mean anything. Everybody is just taking guesses at this. I do to. I'm not right all the time. I just like giving it to NAOS because he asks for it.

National writers are no more accurate about this stuff than the average basketball fan, and it's dumb to believe so.

Some people use national writers AND their experiences WATCHING ****ING BASKETBALL GAMES. You seem to skip that last part and just re-heat other opinions. Badly, at that.
 
Cy might have a point about his legs being dead......

I definitely believe this has a lot to do with some of his performance issues, but I don't think it explains his confidence issues. The Portland game opened my eyes a bit. Dante took it to the rim on the 2nd or 3rd play of the game, (don't remember for sure) missed the floater and then just kind of hung around trying to be as little of an influence as possible. Utah was very competitive in that game, and trying to develop Dante in that situation is tough when you're trying to win. Touchy situation when you're trying to keep other players happy as well.
 
Rep party to the person that finds that play a few games back where Dante gets by his man with a straight path to the hoop and then just turns back around and starts over......and makes a GIF of it.
 
I definitely believe this has a lot to do with some of his performance issues, but I don't think it explains his confidence issues. The Portland game opened my eyes a bit. Dante took it to the rim on the 2nd or 3rd play of the game, (don't remember for sure) missed the floater and then just kind of hung around trying to be as little of an influence as possible. Utah was very competitive in that game, and trying to develop Dante in that situation is tough when you're trying to win. Touchy situation when you're trying to keep other players happy as well.

His missed layup in transition was a classic example of lack of self-confidence. If you look at the situation... he bursts and outruns everybody to the rim... but at the same time... he looks back 3 TIMES(!!!) for trailers to pass to instead of storming confidently to the rim.

BTW that exact thing you are referring to happened again last night... he missed a floater in the lane, missed a couple of 3s in the first Q and then he lost his confidence again and tried to do as little damage as possible and started passing up shots.
 
So damn reasonable

That's exactly what I said when we talked about Kobe. You said he sucked his rookie season. I said he was always aggressive, and he always played with a lot of fire, regardless of how raw he was when he entered the league. I don't remember you being so agreeable then.
 
The reason he doesn't attack the rim is because his handles are loose as hell. This is painfully obvious as I've seen him try to drive on plenty of occasions only to prematurely back out because his initial moves are not good enough to create space. To the untrained eye, it would seem that he's not trying because his attempts get shut down so early. They get shut down so early because he doesn't have the skills to pull off a crossover, a between the leg, or a change of direction at fast speeds without losing control. He can't even get the ball across the half court without having to turn his back to the defender. Because of this, Exum's main priority right now should be to practice his ball handling skills (yes, even over his miserly shooting).

His handle is pretty mediocre indeed, but I don't agree that it's the main culprit right now. I think the main problem is between his ears. But I agree that I'd rather him work on the handle before he works on the shot...
 
His handle is pretty mediocre indeed, but I don't agree that it's the main culprit right now. I think the main problem is between his ears. But I agree that I'd rather him work on the handle before he works on the shot...


Yup
 
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