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Duck Rodgers said:
Oh cool, you guys forgot how this process works since Utah has been out of the big dance for so many years. Don't worry, I'll fill you in. 68 teams. There is thing called an RPI that is a pretty big deal. BYU is hanging on the edge of the 68 as is, but would move up considerably if all they do is lose to Gonzaga for the rest of the year. They got 3 straight home games that will kick them into the low 50's if the win. If they then beat Portland on the road and play Gonzaga regardless of a win, they are into the 40's before the conference tourney. Then if they can just meet Gonzaga at some point in the conference tourney, that will automatically kick them up higher - low 40's; high 30's most likely. They are in. Beat Gonzaga either time and they can lose 2 more games to anybody.
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Overly simplified. The NCAA tourney has 32 automatic bids (winning their conference). If BYU doesn't earn their conference, they will be faced with a number of factors, including SOS, W/L, A/P rank, RPI, end of season performance, etc..

They will likely need to be in the top, say, 25 of RPI, at least, because their SOS will be meh and the W/L will be as well. Of those 32 auto-bids, only about half will actually be better than BYU.. so BYU has to be that much better than the 'rest' to make it in.
 
BYU will have to finish strong if they have a chance of even being considered or they need to win the conference which won't happen unless they get hot right now they are 0-5 vs. the top 5 teams in their conference.
 
It is literally not possible for byu to make the tournament unless they win the Western Coast Conference tourney.

This is fact.
 
Do you guys really think the selection committee is going to pass on Mr. Triple Double himself and the second leading scorer in the country? No. BYU's too compelling. They are probably in even if they lose every game.
 
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Interesting that the only time ugli posts on jazzfanz anymore is to talk about byu
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Oh cool, you guys forgot how this process works since Utah has been out of the big dance for so many years. Don't worry, I'll fill you in. 68 teams. There is thing called an RPI that is a pretty big deal. BYU is hanging on the edge of the 68 as is, but would move up considerably if all they do is lose to Gonzaga for the rest of the year. They got 3 straight home games that will kick them into the low 50's if the win. If they then beat Portland on the road and play Gonzaga regardless of a win, they are into the 40's before the conference tourney. Then if they can just meet Gonzaga at some point in the conference tourney, that will automatically kick them up higher - low 40's; high 30's most likely. They are in. Beat Gonzaga either time and they can lose 2 more games to anybody.
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Apparently getting in doesn't mean their fans understand why they got in. LOL
 
UGLI baby said:
It is literally not possible for byu to make the tournament unless they win the Western Coast Conference tourney.

This is fact.
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If they win out, which includes beating the Zags away, and then get to the semis at least in the WCC tourney they may have a small chance of getting in without winning the tournament.

They lost to too many crappy teams, and failed to beat the decent teams they have played, so sadly I mostly agree with you Ugly babie.

It's almost too late to turn it on and play really well like they did in the St Mary's stomp. Too little, too late.
You can't lose to Pepperdine twice and expect a tourney invite.

After saying that, I really hope they get in.
 
To talk about the Utes, they look really really good.
They slapped Stanford around, and are earning what looks like a 3-4 seed.
 
Triangle Man said:
If they win out, which includes beating the Zags away, and then get to the semis at least in the WCC tourney they may have a small chance of getting in without winning the tournament.

They lost to too many crappy teams, and failed to beat the decent teams they have played, so sadly I mostly agree with you Ugly babie.

It's almost too late to turn it on and play really well like they did in the St Mary's stomp. Too little, too late.
You can't lose to Pepperdine twice and expect a tourney invite.

After saying that, I really hope they get in.
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dat resume doe
 
Triangle Man said:
To talk about the Utes, they look really really good.
They slapped Stanford around, and are earning what looks like a 3-4 seed.
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Considering the difference between 3rd and 4th seed is massive i sure hope we earn a 3. As I mentioned before we must beat Arizona
 
gregbroncs said:
Apparently getting in doesn't mean their fans understand why they got in.
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I know you Ute guys like to use things like who has the best looking jerseys, best looking players, cutest mascots, etc. as the determinant of who gets in.....but that's not how it works. Everything you need to know is built into BPI and RPI. If you've got a problem with somebody making a case by using those metrics, I don't know what to tell you.

BYU is up 12 spots in the RPI in 2 days. BPI of 32. Going just as I said it would so far. And it will go exactly like I said, because I actually understand what those #'s mean and what it takes to jump up. And they will get in based on those #'s assuming they don't lose to anybody besides Gonzaga.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I know you Ute guys like to use things like who has the best looking jerseys, best looking players, cutest mascots, etc. as the determinant of who gets in.....but that's not how it works. Everything you need to know is built into BPI and RPI. If you've got a problem with somebody making a case by using those metrics, I don't know what to tell you.

BYU is up 12 spots in the RPI in 2 days. BPI of 32. Going just as I said it would so far. And it will go exactly like I said, because I actually understand what those #'s mean and what it takes to jump up. And they will get in based on those #'s assuming they don't lose to anybody besides Gonzaga.
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No big time wins on the road, no wins against top teams, and a crappy schedule with a low RPI is not getting the cougars in. Their RPI is far to low right now to make it. One more loss to anybody but Gonzaga and they are done. DONE. I'm not even sure they are not already done without a tournament win. As PKM said the top 68 RPI teams don't make it. More like the top 25-30. The rest of the spots go to tournament winners and teams that are close in RPI with big time road wins and a far tougher schedule than BYU. You indicated in your post that BYU was already in. At best they are on the bubble. More realistically they are out baring a tournament win or a win over Gonzaga.
 
gregbroncs said:
No big time wins on the road, no wins against top teams, and a crappy schedule with a low RPI is not getting the cougars in. Their RPI is far to low right now to make it. One more loss to anybody but Gonzaga and they are done. DONE. I'm not even sure they are not already done without a tournament win. As PKM said the top 68 RPI teams don't make it. More like the top 25-30. The rest of the spots go to tournament winners and teams that are close in RPI with big time road wins and a far tougher schedule than BYU. You indicated in your post that BYU was already in. At best they are on the bubble. More realistically they are out baring a tournament win or a win over Gonzaga.
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And my scenario had BYU jumping up to the high 30's....which is nowhere near 68. And I didn't say all 68 RPI teams made it. Most of those auto bid teams are already in the top 68 rpi. 68 is a point of reference - the futher you can move up from that number, the better of course. There aren't a ton of upsets in those conference tourneys. There's probably about I don't know....8 or 9 spots...hell say 15....to be safe that go to teams that shouldn't be in there based on RPI. That doesn't make the bubble top 25 RPI. The bubble would be the top 36 teams that aren't already Auto bids. Huge huge difference.
 
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I would like to publicly offer Duck Rodgers a $100 bet that byu does not make the NCAA tourney as an at large team.

Accept or decline, duck?
 
Duck Rodgers said:
And my scenario had BYU jumping up to the high 30's....which is nowhere near 68. And I didn't say all 68 RPI teams made it. Most of those auto bid teams are already in the top 68 rpi. 68 is a point of reference - the futher you can move up from that number, the better of course. There aren't a ton of upsets in those conference tourneys. There's probably about I don't know....8 or 9 spots...hell say 15....to be safe that go to teams that shouldn't be in there based on RPI. That doesn't make the bubble top 25 RPI. The bubble would be the top 36 teams that aren't already Auto bids. Huge huge difference.
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If BYU doesn't get into the top 25 in RPI they are out. RPI is a reference not an end all be all. If as you say they get into the high 30's in RPI they have 0 chance of getting in as an at large. More big name conference teams will make it even if they have lower RPI ratings. IMO BYU is already done for in getting their at large bid. Too many loses to crappy teams including at home to Pepperdine. With no signature wins to make them seem like a fluke they are done.
 
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