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Cooper Flagg wants another year in college

I read somewhere what a top 5 selection is worth in just the rookie contract alone. Mr. Flagg would be economically foolish to stay in school. This didn't include endorsements.
 
all of his friends are on his college team, and the pressure to preform is probably much less than it will be in the NBA. if the money is the same, why not? Well there is injury risk, so there is that. If he gets better with another year, than he will do more faster in the NBA, but at the same time, getting professional coaching might do more. there are a lot of considerations.
 
There is a 12M difference over the life of the deal going from 1st to 3rd. He may make up a good chunk of that with NIL.... maybe like 60% ish. First year of his max in 5 years would be 56M to 67M. Getting to that one year earlier is huge. At any point there could be an injury that limits money. If this was the backend of his career and he was giving up 60-70M (plus being the undisputed headliner of the draft class this year and the endorsement money that comes with it) then maybe I could see someone making that decision.

I guess what I'm saying is he might go back and have everything go okay... and still lose 75-100M. That's a tough bet at the beginning of his career. It won't happen. Sorry for you doomsdayers.
 
Also, it wouldn't be a bad thing for the Jazz. This is a two year tank where you are hoping to land one of Dybansta, Cooper, Peterson, Boozer... if he went back it may prompt us to go scorched earth next year and have like an 80% chance at one of them plus whatever we added this year.
 
JazzFever said:
I get where you're coming from, but the NBA is set up a certain way, with certain rules, and the Jazz are working within the framework to optimize for success, to help them overcome certain structural disadvantages.

The question that Ryan answered differently than previous ownership- Is our definition of success consistent winning or a championship? Previous ownership was never willing to sacrifice to get over the hump to a championship and chose consistent success. Ryan has answered he is willing to do things differently in order to optimize for a championship.

That necessitates a different set of compromises, and one of those is managing your roster in such a way that winning the current game on your plate is waaaay down on the list and is sometimes even detrimental. But they aren't actively throwing games or point shaving, just optimizing for development and avoiding giving out minutes in such a way that winning the game is more important than developing the young talent that is on the 'timeline' and if someone has a boo boo, they aren't going to play.

Being so contrary to the previous philosophy, it is pretty glaring, but something the NBA is structured to accommodate, so in no way bad sportsmanship or cheating, just annoying.
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What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
 
bopahull said:
What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
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Preach brother
 
bopahull said:
What Utah and other teams are doing is not within the rules, fraudulently sitting players for so called injuries is blatantly against the letter and spirit of the rules. The fact that proving fraud in this case is very difficult doesn't make it right, it simply makes it something you can get away with.
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its right until the nba forces teams to stop. This is the only way the jazz can get better, so if other teams are doing it the jazz sure as hell better be doing it too like cars going over the speed limit to stay with the flow of traffic.
 
jom2003 said:
But is it though? With the league constantly changing it's rules on CBA and expanding the "supermax" it's gets evidently more desirable to sign your contract extension later. Just look at Jokic and Jaylen Brown. Just a year ago in 2022, Jokers supermax extension was still 270mil for 5yr. Then one year later...boom! jaylen browns supermax with the Celtics became 304mil for 5 yrs. That's basically one whole year worth of extra earning. Joker sorta screwed himself by signing that deal one year earlier.
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Fair point, but it's hard to imagine that sort of exponential growth in the AAV of a supermax continuing in perpetuity, and/or being impossible for agents to figure out and provide some guidance on when to sign, how long to sign for, etc.

But even in your Jokic scenario - that's still an AAV of $54m per year. If we look at Anthony Edwards (better comp as a recent young star in the first year of his max deal), I think he's making $42m this year. Coop dogg would have to make just insane (read: impossible) NIL money to justify 1) the injury risk of derailing his NBA career and 2) offset the ~$25m in "lost money" between the last year of his rookie deal and the first year of his second (presumably max) contract.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There is a 12M difference over the life of the deal going from 1st to 3rd. He may make up a good chunk of that with NIL.... maybe like 60% ish. First year of his max in 5 years would be 56M to 67M. Getting to that one year earlier is huge. At any point there could be an injury that limits money. If this was the backend of his career and he was giving up 60-70M (plus being the undisputed headliner of the draft class this year and the endorsement money that comes with it) then maybe I could see someone making that decision.

I guess what I'm saying is he might go back and have everything go okay... and still lose 75-100M. That's a tough bet at the beginning of his career. It won't happen. Sorry for you doomsdayers.
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Has nothing at all on my part related to doomsday. Just stating that NIL will change the draft landscape. There is no question that for kids at the top of the draft, it is much better financially to get drafted. However, all decisions are not made based on dollars and cents. It will impact decision making and the depth in the draft.
 
gomretat said:
Has nothing at all on my part related to doomsday. Just stating that NIL will change the draft landscape. There is no question that for kids at the top of the draft, it is much better financially to get drafted. However, all decisions are not made based on dollars and cents. It will impact decision making and the depth in the draft.
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Understood... some here and online are pointing to this meaningless Cooper quote as a way to say "this is why you don't tank". He will be in this draft. I'd bet large sums of money on it. I don't know that after an adjustment for NIL in the next year or two that many drafts will have less depth. Those players will come out eventually. This will impact like 3-4 top 40 prospects decisions... maybe? Over a 2-4 year window they will come out though... so maybe a couple light drafts... maybe a couple more heavy. Overall it won't change much and I'd be shocked if it changes one top 10 candidates' thought process. The money will never be the "same" for those types even if the salary is similar for a year or two.
 
Storm in a teacup. Or in Rubashov's case his D-cups

83 days until the Utah Jazz win the 2025 NBA draft lottery and go on to select Cooper Flagg. You're welcome
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
its right until the nba forces teams to stop. This is the only way the jazz can get better, so if other teams are doing it the jazz sure as hell better be doing it too like cars going over the speed limit to stay with the flow of traffic.
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I'm not saying the Jazz are doing anything that the other teams aren't. I'm simply pointing out that it is against the rules contrary to the statement that they were acting within the rules. After all, "if you ain't cheatin you ain't competin" right?
 
I've
Douchebag K said:
Storm in a teacup. Or in Rubashov's case his D-cups

83 days until the Utah Jazz win the 2025 NBA draft lottery and go on to select Cooper Flagg. You're welcome
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I've been a Jazz fan since they moved to Utah. In all that time they have never moved up to a better pick and have almost always been moved down because other teams have drawn out lucky numbers. They haven't even won a coin toss when it has come down to draft positioning. What makes you think our luck will change now?
 
With the
bopahull said:
I'm not saying the Jazz are doing anything that the other teams aren't. I'm simply pointing out that it is against the rules contrary to the statement that they were acting within the rules. After all, "if you ain't cheatin you ain't competin" right?
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With the rules expanded recently to clarify that holding players out specifically during nationally televised games, it seems the Jazz are abiding the letter and the spirit of the laws- it’s just the law that sucks.
 
bopahull said:
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I've been a Jazz fan since they moved to Utah. In all that time they have never moved up to a better pick and have almost always been moved down because other teams have drawn out lucky numbers. They haven't even won a coin toss when it has come down to draft positioning. What makes you think our luck will change now?
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In 2011 the Jazz owned New Jersey’s pick and it moved up from 6 to 3 in the lottery.
 
Since we aren’t going to out tank the Wizards this year, I hope he stays one more year. We still get a great player this year then get to tank correctly next year and get him. Could work out in our favor.
 
JazzFanNBama said:
Since we aren’t going to out tank the Wizards this year, I hope he stays one more year. We still get a great player this year then get to tank correctly next year and get him. Could work out in our favor.
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As long as we're top 3 we'd have equal shot at Flagg:

Team > Odds for No. 1 Pick

  • Team 1: 14.0%
  • Team 2: 14.0%
  • Team 3: 14.0%
  • Team 4: 12.5%
  • Team 5: 10.5%
  • Team 6: 9.0%
  • Team 7: 7.5%
  • Team 8: 6.0%
  • Team 9: 4.5%
  • Team 10: 3.0%
  • Team 11: 2.0%
  • Team 12: 1.5%
  • Team 13: 1.0%
  • Team 14: 0.5%
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2025 NBA Draft Lottery: Odds, history and how it works

The official site for the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery. The participating teams and final Lottery odds will be determined at the conclusion of the 2024-25 regular season.
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The main issue is how far you can get pushed down by other teams moving up. Odds are even for 'top' 3 teams for picking first though.
 
JazzFanNBama said:
Since we aren’t going to out tank the Wizards this year, I hope he stays one more year. We still get a great player this year then get to tank correctly next year and get him. Could work out in our favor.
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Are the Jazz not currently tanking correctly?

It's only going to get harder next year if the current young players improve. We might start looking like the Raptors next year
 
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