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I said 16-20, but they'll have to string together a couple of 2-win streaks and maybe get a road win to get there, I think. vs. Charlotte and vs. Milwaukee at the end of the year?

You people are taking Corbin for granite. Just give him time.

Kings up by 12 at the half. I suppose it would be safe to win this one.

I'm still not sure what your argument is/was. Started out as "3rd-worst is better than 1st-worst" then ended at "1st-worst is ok, but only if we look somewhat respectable". Which I think that most everyone on the board agrees with. No one here is hoping that the current team is full of bad...

You should have perhaps included this in your presentation at some point.

So you think that a 23-win team will suffer so much less long-term damage than a 20-win team that you're willing to risk dropping from a top-4 guaranteed to top-6? Going from 100% odds of a top-4 to 70% is NOT "slightly better".

Yup. The Jazz are top-3 in just about every suckstistic that you can imagine, and have all the tools necessary to not compete, but as colton is fond of saying: "you can't take anything for granite."

Where IS Morris Almond these days, anyhow?

I think it would make for interesting viewing in the NFL as well

Agreed. When it comes time to re-sign for next year, those players who would have been on the fence following an 0-82 season would be in a much better position if they come away from this season with a few wins. With the warm fuzzies that they'll get after beating the likes of the Pelicans and...

I saw that the other day and thought that the product looked even more uncomfortable than a helmet. Creative, though.

I'm worried that after tonight a lot of other teams are going to start taking their tank a lot more seriously. Jazz have to focus now.

Yes, top 4 1st: 0.250 2nd: 0.215 3rd: 0.178 4th: 0.357 5th: 0.000 But let's not get ahead of ourselves, it's a long season and the Jazz only have a one-game lead. There is still plenty of work to not do.

Utah 27, Stanford 21 Stanford 26, Oregon 20 Therefore.....

Very shortsighted of you to present this as an "either/or" scenario.

I don't know if these numbers mean much 8 games in (especially regarding Williams and Rush), but the table is well formatted and the concept intriguing. I give this thread a "Bobby Hansen" on a scale of CJ Miles to Karl Malone.

This is a complete Utah Jazz of a thread.

Jazz showcasing a little too much; need to pull it back a bit to make the tank more believable.

The Jazz are bad, but they're not this bad. It's not unrealistic to think that they could be 1-6 right now if they had a quality coach.

I'd say "caring", but I've already given that up.