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I think we need a free agent pg. Dante is not ready now, and he won't be next year. I would be surprised if Trey is on the roster next year. It will be very interesting to see what position we draft. We're going to have Burks back, at least one more rookie, Tomic and hopefully a good free agent.
 
I don't really know what we could get for him, hopefully as the rest of the team gets better either he will improve too or he will settle into a less chucky role. Hard to say, but on a good team this kind of volume shooting probably won't fly.

I felt like he had turned the corner a few games ago as far as actually getting in the paint with regularity, but the last couple he's taking all 3s and stepback midrange shots again instead of the floater and search dribble.
 
What I've seen this season is that Trey can't really cut it as a starter, however he can be extremely dangerous up against bench players. He has looked so good at times, that you wonder if he should be starting, but then get reminded of his inconsistency against better competition. Whether or not he works out with the Jazz long term depends on if he can accept the role. Even more than that, can he embrace the role?

There are many players in the history of the league that have embraced that role and really helped their teams win. But it requires the right kind of player. If they feel disrespected because they aren't starting and let that affect their game, it won't work long term.

I really like what I've seen from Trey off the bench and he has helped them win a lot of games in recent weeks. I hope that he is accepting the role and not secretly hating it. Good teams have good benches and he performs a valuable role on the team. I hope he sees it that way.
 
He still has great potential and only his second year. He is a smart player. He definitely needs to find people more often. I like him on our team. I like Dante's D better, Trey is quick enough to be a good defender and hopefully that's something he gets better at.
 
sojodave said:
I think we need a free agent pg. Dante is not ready now, and he won't be next year. I would be surprised if Trey is on the roster next year. It will be very interesting to see what position we draft. We're going to have Burks back, at least one more rookie, Tomic and hopefully a good free agent.
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I don't know what he'll cost, but I personally think that Jeremy Lin would be great in Burke's role. I said last year that I'd have taken him on in a trade over Novak because I think he's a good fit for what Quin wants to do (plus it would have yielded a better asset.) He's a guy who could run the bench and contribute as a scorer, distributor, shooter and especially in P&R situations - that was where he thrived in NYC during the Linsanity days.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
I don't understand people saying Trey Burke big problem is being inconsistent. Even when he is good he is mediocre. When he is bad he is terrible.
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I disagree. When he's good he's good. There have been multiple games where nobody but him was giving the team jack in terms of scoring. It's not just about numbers, it's about the timeliness of the scoring, and the willingness to do the scoring.

But when he's awful, he really hurts the team because he refuses to not keep shooting.
 
Burke has a ton of clunkers, but he is still a young player in this league and has shown the desire to work hard on his game. Yeah, it's frustrating when he sucks, but he's one of the only guys outside of Hayward and Favors that has shown he actually has the ability to get some buckets from time to time. For a team that struggles offensively I don't think that's something one can just overlook and cast aside like he provides no benefit, or say the Jazz would be better off without him. He desperately needs to become a consistent 3 point shooter doe. Most of the 3's he takes are decent shots for a good 3 point shooter, but he's not one yet.
 
aussietin said:
Burke's biggest problem is that he is prone to inconsistency, and he can't have an impact on the game if he's shooting badly. For example, Hayward could still play solid defense, rebound and make passes to set up teammates even if he's having a rough shooting night. Trey's only got his shot. He's got one of the better midrange shots in the league, but that's not the most reliable weapon. He needs to learn to have an impact on the game besides scoring.
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People here seem to think Burke isn't very good because he's inconsistent. I say it's the other way around. Burke is inconsistent because he's not very good.
 
sgjazzfan said:
Trey's biggest problem is he hasn't embraced the role of being PG. He is trying to be a scorer, when he needs to be a facilitator. If he could just tone back on the shooting, and worry about getting others good shots I think he could make a decent starting PG. He is a good enough shooter to be an OK scorer off the bench, but tries to force it a bit too much, thus having these horrible nights. He shouldn't be scoring over 15 points a game, simply because he shouldn't be taking that many shots. He is averaging about 13 shots a night, but should be closer to 8-9. If he picks his shots better, he would shoot better.

I had so much hope for him because he was the heart and soul of the michigan team and played so well the whole year. I thought he was just what the Jazz needed, but even Quinn can't get him to play his role. Maybe with Burks and another shooter added to the team, he can to better. I think he'll get at least next year with the Jazz, and probably will play out his rookie contract, but if he doesn't improve, will just lose minutes. Not much value as a trade asset right now, and the Jazz sadly don't have any better options at PG.
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Here's the problem his role is of a scorer with this team. Trey greatest strength at Michigan was that of decision maker especially out of the PNR. That isn't what he's being asked to do with Utah. Shooting as poor as he has this early in his career won't get it done, however Burke greatest attribute is not being used. When you look at the roster especially without Burks there aren't anybody outside of Hayward creating their own shots. Trey has to play the Chris Paul role to be at his most effective. He can't do that when Hayward, Exum, and Ingles are facilitators like he should be.

Some people need to go back and watch Burke's clips at Michigan to understand who Trey really is as a player. You don't set records for assist if you are just some naturally aims chucker.

Ultimately I think Burke doesn't fit Synder's system prefert and the current Jazz roster even less. A trade would do wonder to a team that runs more PNR offense.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
I don't understand people saying Trey Burke big problem is being inconsistent. Even when he is good he is mediocre. When he is bad he is terrible.
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This is the type of illogical hate that makes no sense. Trey has had a number of big games both in terms of scoring and assist. In both seasons. You can say the number of stinkers out weight the great games but how can you say he's been mediocre during his good games when he has games 25+pts 5+ast games?
 
Kyoto said:
Trey is averaging 13 attempts a game and only making 5 of them with only 4 assists in 30 minutes a game. WHY are you guys saying this guy is good? What about him and his play says "career PG for the Utah Jazz"? I know his game has picked up a little since being benched but really his averages are terrible. He seems like the new Enes Kanter of the team. Good scorer but doesn't fit his role with the team.
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I never have. He's a chucker. I'm sick of seeing the ball stop when it gets to Burke and watching him go 1-on-3. I'm actually up to about 80% accuracy on predicting when he's going to keep the ball and try to drive. He's done MARGINALLY better off the bench. And Snyder HAD to make that move; Hayward wasn't touching the ball. Trey DOES need to be replaced, but I just don't see a lot of viable options right now. I think he'll be on the team through next season.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Clearly? I wouldnt say that. Hes in his second year, and has had some great moments. Consistency and having really ****ty nights like last night are his issue. Writing his future off now is just insane. Id say its leaning towards that now, but he can still improve and get better.

Clearly he is talented, but too inconsistent right now to lock him up as THE guy for the future.

But if we are being honest here, hes got things that right now that Dante doesnt have yet. Things that you cant teach.
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What are these things he has that you can't teach that Dante doesn't also have? I'd argue Dante has things that Trey doesn't that can't be taught. But I can't think of a single thing that Trey has that can't be taught.
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Dante has size, Can't be taught.
Dante is a natural passer, Hard to teach but can be done.
Dante is an above average defender due to size and speed, Can't really be taught as Trey is never going to be as laterally quick or as tall and athletic as Dante is.
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Trey shoots, a lot. Easy to teach not really good though.
Trey has a passion for the game and seems to try hard, I think this is overrated most of the time. But hard to teach. (Not sure that Dante doesn't already have this, too early to tell)
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So please tell me what I'm missing.
 
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da ThRONe said:
Here's the problem his role is of a scorer with this team. Trey greatest strength at Michigan was that of decision maker especially out of the PNR. That isn't what he's being asked to do with Utah. Shooting as poor as he has this early in his career won't get it done, however Burke greatest attribute is not being used. When you look at the roster especially without Burks there aren't anybody outside of Hayward creating their own shots. Trey has to play the Chris Paul role to be at his most effective. He can't do that when Hayward, Exum, and Ingles are facilitators like he should be.

Some people need to go back and watch Burke's clips at Michigan to understand who Trey really is as a player. You don't set records for assist if you are just some naturally aims chucker.

Ultimately I think Burke doesn't fit Synder's system prefert and the current Jazz roster even less. A trade would do wonder to a team that runs more PNR offense.
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They run PNR with him. He just doesn't pass it. He keeps it. And shoots. Almost every ****ing time. Last night was about the last straw for me. Not only was he bad he was pathetic. Couldn't shoot, wouldn't pass.
 
da ThRONe said:
Here's the problem his role is of a scorer with this team. Trey greatest strength at Michigan was that of decision maker especially out of the PNR. That isn't what he's being asked to do with Utah. Shooting as poor as he has this early in his career won't get it done, however Burke greatest attribute is not being used. When you look at the roster especially without Burks there aren't anybody outside of Hayward creating their own shots. Trey has to play the Chris Paul role to be at his most effective. He can't do that when Hayward, Exum, and Ingles are facilitators like he should be.

Some people need to go back and watch Burke's clips at Michigan to understand who Trey really is as a player. You don't set records for assist if you are just some naturally aims chucker.

Ultimately I think Burke doesn't fit Synder's system prefert and the current Jazz roster even less. A trade would do wonder to a team that runs more PNR offense.
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Perhaps you have a point...now. But remember, he was just as bad at chucking when he was a starter and just as bad at not passing to teammates when Burks, Favors, Kanter and Hayward were his running mates. He was equally bad last season at shooting first and passing as an after-thought. Not sure what changed between college and the NBA, but Trey is not the "pass-first" PG the Jazz thought they had drafted.

I don't care WHO his teammates are off the bench. I've seen him drive against multiple defenders when he has Hayward open or Favors or Gobert underneath. And say what about the P&R? Watch a game and see how many times Utah runs the side P&R with Favors. It is definitely a staple of Quin's offense. Trey just dribbles out top until he THINKS he has an opening and then tries to drive inside. If his off-balance shot falls, he looks good. If not, he's left sprawled out on the baseline while the other team pushes it up the court.
 
da ThRONe said:
Here's the problem his role is of a scorer with this team. Trey greatest strength at Michigan was that of decision maker especially out of the PNR. That isn't what he's being asked to do with Utah. Shooting as poor as he has this early in his career won't get it done, however Burke greatest attribute is not being used. When you look at the roster especially without Burks there aren't anybody outside of Hayward creating their own shots. Trey has to play the Chris Paul role to be at his most effective. He can't do that when Hayward, Exum, and Ingles are facilitators like he should be.

Some people need to go back and watch Burke's clips at Michigan to understand who Trey really is as a player. You don't set records for assist if you are just some naturally aims chucker.

Ultimately I think Burke doesn't fit Synder's system prefert and the current Jazz roster even less. A trade would do wonder to a team that runs more PNR offense.
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Geezus-Mary-and-Joseph. All we would like Trey to do is to look to pass the bleepin ball once in a while. As other posters have pointed out, the PNR is a staple of Quin's offense. And Trey has many options in PNRs and fast breaks to pass, but he doesn't. Either you are a blind Trey homer or I'm missing something. Plus he will miss once, twice, and then take some ridiculous 3-pointer that has little chance of going in after those misses. Interesting that some guy on the Yahoo comments predicted before the game that Trey would go 1-13 -- he sure was close. Maybe Trey is playing like this because he doesn't want to be in Utah -- who knows. But I always thought he was a much worse black hole than Kanter.
 
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Another thing that bothers me is when his shooting % is defended due to the fact he takes shots when the clock is running out. Yes, he does. But many times the clock gets low because Burke has run so much time off looking to drive, instead of just passing it around.
 
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