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#1 Pick to Utah?

Revolution 9 said:
No they won't. They'll be decent rotation players, and you know it.
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They very well may turn out to be but small market teams that trade away future first rounders become perennial losers. Our best hope to get all stars is in the draft. Our futures are more important than Favors.

Hotttnickkk said:
LOL.. so you're' saying "No" to #5 and our future 1st round pick... (likely to be #8 or worse next year) for the #1 pick?


What are you high on?
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Why do I bother responding to you when you seem to be incapable of following the basic points being discussed?
 
heyhey said:
They very well may turn out to be but small market teams that trade away future first rounders become perennial losers. Our best hope to get all stars is in the draft. Our futures are more important than Favors.
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These picks will probably all be much higher/later in the draft than where Favors was selected. The odds support my argument that they will not pan out or be better than Favors. Granted I'm willing to give up 3 of them, but we'd also be getting the top 1/2 guy in the draft. Quality over quanity.

Anyways heyhey I do appreciate the other side. cheers
 
Jody Genessy: Haven't been able to confirm @Joe Kotoch report that Jazz are in talks with Cavs to send #5 pick, Derrick Favors to Cavs for #1 pick. Derrick Favors' camp hadn't heard that the center is rumored to be included in a possible trade between the Jazz and Cavaliers
 
My main concern over this is who's going to play defense. Favors may not get much better, but he might. He is our #1 defensive presence. Let's not forget that these players, probably all of them to some extent, have been mishandled and poorly coached by Corbin. A better coach could make all of them better if they are used properly. Not saying I would definitely not do this, but I would really hate to see Favors go.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
LOL.. so you're' saying "No" to #5 and our future 1st round pick... (likely to be #8 or worse next year) for the #1 pick?



What are you high on?
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I'd much rather give up a top 8 pick next year than Favors, but Cleveland wants players ready to help now, or they wouldn't consider trading the #1 pick.
 
trigg3r said:
Interesting to say the least. Would I do it? Sure. It would be sad to see Favors go but like many have said, he isn't going to reach his ceiling like many have said throughout this thread. I think you have to take the chance that you are going to get a superstar here. I don't know how to feel about Parker at 1 though. I probably prefer Wiggins but whatever. If we take Parker then it will be because DL thinks he is a better player long term and he knows more than we do.
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If the Jazz do this trade, I am fine with trading Favors. I like Favors but I don't think he has star potential. I would do it for Wiggins without even thinking about it and might do it for Parker.

If the Jazz truly have Wiggins and Parker 1a&b then I would draft Wiggins and then see who is on the board at 3. I would call Philly and say draft Parker or whoever the Jazz really want but you have to give us the 10th pick too.

Jazz draft Parker #3 and Gordon at #10. Maybe Embiid drops all the way to ten and then you swing for the fences. Now that would make DL a freak'n basketball GOD.

I would also be happy to take Wiggins and say Thompson or Zeller (ok backup) to get the deal done.
 
My first thought on this yesterday was it's too much to give up, but as I'm thinking about it today I'm more on board with it. 11 of the last 16 championship teams had a #1 pick heavily contributing to get that ring. If we need to give up a guy like Favors to land someone in this territory I think we have to do it.

That said it's the Jazz involved in a rumor, we don't usually get involved in true rumors, so I'm sure nothing will happen and we take Noah at 5.
 
mellow said:
Jazz would take crap salaries back in order to free more cap space for Cleveland to run at LeBron. That probably means Jarret Jack, but could also mean Bennett, Thompson or Zeller.



Or did Cleveland create the situation with the big foot injury reveal so that they were justified in trading the pick? There is no spoon.
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I am fine taking back salary. I like Varajeo even though he gets hurt he is a rebounding machine. I love Jarret Jack too.
 
cowhide said:
I am fine taking back salary. I like Varajeo even though he gets hurt he is a rebounding machine. I love Jarret Jack too.
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Exactly, we have a ton of cap space to use and who do we really want to throw big bucks at for long term deals this Summer? We'll obviously do what we can for Hayward, but after that we're not getting any of the big names so I'd rather take on some of Cleveland's eh contracts for a while instead of throwing money at a terrible FA pool (that we could obtain of course)
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Don't really want to give up Favors to get Parker, would probably do it for Wiggins though. I'd give up Favors for Parker and Sanders though. We got to have a rim protector, and unless Gobert is ready to play bigger minutes, then we need Favors (or Sanders).
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Reports are that Tomic is much better defensively than he was, and that his team was ranked #1 defensively, and he was integral to that.

If Gobert and Tomic aren't enough to anchor the frontcourt, Asik could be available to us.

If no e of those options work, and we end up worse than we were last year, next year's draft is all about bigs.
 
dipship31 said:
Exactly, we have a ton of cap space to use and who do we really want to throw big bucks at for long term deals this Summer? We'll obviously do what we can for Hayward, but after that we're not getting any of the big names so I'd rather take on some of Cleveland's eh contracts for a while instead of throwing money at a terrible FA pool (that we could obtain of course)
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But Favors was the third pick in the draft once by the Nets.
 
cowhide said:
I am fine taking back salary. I like Varajeo even though he gets hurt he is a rebounding machine. I love Jarret Jack too.
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One or the other:
They get Favors AND cap relief or they get Favors AND the #5. Can't have both. The cap relief would have to come after the draft, though.

At the draft: Favors and the #5 for the #1.
On July 1 (finalized July 10th): Since the league or the devil seem intent on giving Cleveland a top-3 pick every year, I'd only let them have one year of top-3 protection. Varejao and their top-3 restricted 2016 pick (unrestricted in 2017), for the GS or Denver 2nd rounder.
 
Purch said:
If we trade up to #1 it's obvious that we're taking Jabari. If that happens, I guarantee Philly finds a way to trade or the 2nd pick from the bucks.

This might be the first draft in which the top 2 picks go to teams with strong coaches who aren't focused on Isoball (both are from the San Antonio coaching tree and both have experience In the euro game)
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All the Jazz have to do is draft Wiggins and then call Philly and say if you want your guy give us #3 and #10. They only move to #2 if they are afraid the Bucks want Parker. Everyone knows Philly wants Wiggins. They've played their hand so if the Jazz don't care if they get Parker or Wiggins then draft Wiggins and force their hand. Philly might freak and think they aren't going to get either and then fold and give us #10.

Jazz draft Wiggins and trade him for Parker and #10.
 
cowhide said:
All the Jazz have to do is draft Wiggins and then call Philly and say if you want your guy give us #3 and #10. They only move to #2 if they are afraid the Bucks want Parker. Everyone knows Philly wants Wiggins. They've played their hand so if the Jazz don't care if they get Parker or Wiggins then draft Wiggins and force their hand. Philly might freak and think they aren't going to get either and then fold and give us #10.

Jazz draft Wiggins and trade him for Parker and #10.
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Have they played their hand or is it a smokescreen? They're reportedly shopping Thadeus Young. That could be in preparation to draft Jabari.
 
Core4 said:
One or the other:
They get Favors AND cap relief or they get Favors AND the #5. Can't have both. The cap relief would have to come after the draft, though.

At the draft: Favors and the #5 for the #1.
On July 1 (finalized July 10th): Since the league or the devil seem intent on giving Cleveland a top-3 pick every year, I'd only let them have one year of top-3 protection. Varejao and their top-3 restricted 2016 pick (unrestricted in 2017), for the GS or Denver 2nd rounder.
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Why do they have to wait until the end of the draft both Favors and Varejao are under contract.
 
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