#1 Pick to Utah?

[cowhide]

Have they played their hand or is it a smokescreen? They're reportedly shopping Thadeus Young. That could be in preparation to draft Jabari.

True, everything is a smokescreen. I am just basing my theory/hope on that Philly has a Willy for Wiggins. The only reason why I would trade Wiggins is if Gordon is still available. So if Gordon is off the board which is probable I most likely would just keep Wiggins.

I view Wiggins > Parker, however Parker + Gordon >>> Wiggins.

 

[jope]

All the Jazz have to do is draft Wiggins and then call Philly and say if you want your guy give us #3 and #10. They only move to #2 if they are afraid the Bucks want Parker. Everyone knows Philly wants Wiggins. They've played their hand so if the Jazz don't care if they get Parker or Wiggins then draft Wiggins and force their hand. Philly might freak and think they aren't going to get either and then fold and give us #10.

Jazz draft Wiggins and trade him for Parker and #10.

Would this not be just ****ing awesome

 

[framer]

We finally get Wiggins and you want to trade him out? Whaaaaa? The 3 pick keeps us from getting Parker or Wiggins and puts us in Exumville. No Thanks. I guess I'll live with Exum if he falls to us at 5, but I'm not blowing past Wiggins to get there. Chances are the guy you get at 10 is a good bench player. Exum and a good bench player aren't worth Wiggins. If you want another lottery pick, deal with Sacramento and give them salary relief. If we are losing Favors, we have money to burn! If we get Wiggins, even Hayward is expendable. The 8 pick will at least give you one of Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, Randall, or even Embiid. The 10 pick gets you McBuckets, maybe.

 

[jope]

We finally get Wiggins and you want to trade him out? Whaaaaa? The 3 pick keeps us from getting Parker or Wiggins and puts us in Exumville. No Thanks. I guess I'll live with Exum if he falls to us at 5, but I'm not blowing past Wiggins to get there. Chances are the guy you get at 10 is a good bench player. Exum and a good bench player aren't worth Wiggins. If you want another lottery pick, deal with Sacramento and give them salary relief. If we are losing Favors, we have money to burn! If we get Wiggins, even Hayward is expendable. The 8 pick will at least give you one of Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, Randall, or even Embiid. The 10 pick gets you McBuckets, maybe.

the premise was to trade to 1, take wiggins, if parker makes it to 3, then trade 1 to philly (who badly wants wiggins) for 3 (parker) and 10 (whoever).


it equates to ( if parker is there at 3 still)

5 and Favors, for Parker and 10 (and salary filler)

OR

if parker isnt there at 3,

we still get to keep wiggins

 

[♪alt13]

True, everything is a smokescreen. I am just basing my theory/hope on that Philly has a Willy for Wiggins. The only reason why I would trade Wiggins is if Gordon is still available. So if Gordon is off the board which is probable I most likely would just keep Wiggins.

I view Wiggins > Parker, however Parker + Gordon >>> Wiggins.

I view Wiggins' ceiling > Parker's ceiling

The thing is Parker seems to be more likely to max out his potential. I wouldn't blame any GM for taking Parker over Wiggins.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Why do they have to wait until the end of the draft both Favors and Varejao are under contract.

You're right. I was thinking of taking on more than we got back for Cleveland's "cap relief" and should have used Jack on July 1st. Brain freeze on my part since Favors DOES get traded for Varejao and filler as part of the draft day transaction. Cleveland doesn't need much additional cap relief beyond that as both Deng and Hawes come off the books.

Favors has a PPP provision due to signing an extension, so I believe his trade value is about $11M (avg of current salary + new contract). Varejao is making $9M.

Utah: Favors and the #5
Outgoing salary $11M

Cleveland: #1, Varejao and Gee (have to include Gee, Zeller or Karasev for filler). Cleveland likely still wants Zeller.
Outgoing salary $12.3M

Deal seems a little lopsided in favor of Utah. Jazz may need to sweeten the pot by adding a future 1st (or the #23). However, it's done with the understanding the teams are working towards a deal on July 1st, the terms of which are likely agreed upon before the draft day trade occurs.

However, Cleveland ONLY does a salary dump IF Lebron opts out and wants to return to Cleveland. Otherwise, they're under the tax even WITH a MAX extension for Irving. Jazz could take on any combination of Jack, Bennett, etc. by simply renouncing the contract rights/holds of Biedrins, Rush and RJ. In exchange for helping them, if needed, Jazz could reacquire a pick that was thrown in to get the draft day deal done. For example, Jack + the future first for Lucas and a 2016 2nd-rounder. Cleveland releases Lucas after the trade and saves themselves the entire $6.3M of Jack's contract. Overpaid, but JJ would be a great backup PG behind Trey and a "veteran" presence on the team.

 

[jope]

I view Wiggins' ceiling > Parker's ceiling

The thing is Parker seems to be more likely to max out his potential. I wouldn't blame any GM for taking Parker over Wiggins.

Same.
Been seeing several reports saying, Parker Work-Ethic > Wiggins Work-Ethic

 

[kabenac]

All the Jazz have to do is draft Wiggins and then call Philly and say if you want your guy give us #3 and #10. They only move to #2 if they are afraid the Bucks want Parker. Everyone knows Philly wants Wiggins. They've played their hand so if the Jazz don't care if they get Parker or Wiggins then draft Wiggins and force their hand. Philly might freak and think they aren't going to get either and then fold and give us #10.

Jazz draft Wiggins and trade him for Parker and #10.

If that happened I would personally fly out to SLC and build DL a shrine made out of basketball cards and angel hair. But I see Parker going with the second pick.

 

[Revolution 9]

Reports are that Tomic is much better defensively than he was, and that his team was ranked #1 defensively, and he was integral to that.

If Gobert and Tomic aren't enough to anchor the frontcourt, Asik could be available to us.

If no e of those options work, and we end up worse than we were last year, next year's draft is all about bigs.

Don't let the numbers and teammates fool you. Tomic is a below average defender on a good day. I'm a Tomic homer and would love to see him on the Jazz.
Let's not lie to ourselves about him though. He'd be destroyed OVERALL on defense in the NBA. Sure he'll block some shots, and bother some people but overall he will
be a speed bump in this league. I've watched a good number of his games over the years. Yes, he has improved at defense. Yes, he has bulked up a little. He is still
very poor on defense. The NBA will only exacerbate these deficiencies even more.

With all that said, again his offense is so skilled I'd love to see him come over. Him and Kanter on defense might drive us crazy though.

 

[framer]

the premise was to trade to 1, take wiggins, if parker makes it to 3, then trade 1 to philly (who badly wants wiggins) for 3 (parker) and 10 (whoever).


it equates to ( if parker is there at 3 still)

5 and Favors, for Parker and 10 (and salary filler)

OR

if parker isnt there at 3,

we still get to keep wiggins

OK, I've gotcha now. Philly wouldn't be able to trade up to #1 themselves because they don't have an experienced defensive big on a good contract to trade and that is what Cleveland covets. Nor does Orlando, or Boston, or the Lakers. Once you get past that you draft pick becomes increasingly less valuable. If Cleveland trades out, it will have to be for Love or with us. Favors is under contract for quite a while, Love isn't.

 

[bigmike]

All the Jazz have to do is draft Wiggins and then call Philly and say if you want your guy give us #3 and #10. They only move to #2 if they are afraid the Bucks want Parker. Everyone knows Philly wants Wiggins. They've played their hand so if the Jazz don't care if they get Parker or Wiggins then draft Wiggins and force their hand. Philly might freak and think they aren't going to get either and then fold and give us #10.

Jazz draft Wiggins and trade him for Parker and #10.

This is epic, but I really don't see Milwaukee passing on Parker at #2, especially if they knew that Utah and Philly had a Parker-for-Wiggins swap in the works. I could see them trying to entice Philly to move up in this scenario, but that might cost Philly the #10, in which case we'd have to get something else back from the Sixers for Wiggins (2015 unprotected 1st?). I don't know.

But I will say that if DL can flip #5 and Favors into Jabari Parker and #10, I will anoint him the messiah of Jazz basketball. Then we flip #10 and #23 for Vonleh or Embiid. Woomp there it is.

 

[trigg3r]

The big question is will the Millers allow DL to trade Favors? Remember when he was signed to the extension? All I heard from the Millers is why can't every player be like Favors and how can we keep Favor here for his career? Some of that might be lip service. I get the feeling that a lot of it is the truth. Will the Millers tell DL no if the opportunity is there?

 

[Coach Ellis]

This is epic, but I really don't see Milwaukee passing on Parker at #2, especially if they knew that Utah and Philly had a Parker-for-Wiggins swap in the works. I could see them trying to entice Philly to move up in this scenario, but that might cost Philly the #10, in which case we'd have to get something else back from the Sixers for Wiggins (2015 unprotected 1st?). I don't know.

But I will say that if DL can flip #5 and Favors into Jabari Parker and #10, I will anoint him the messiah of Jazz basketball. Then we flip #10 and #23 for Vonleh or Embiid. Woomp there it is.

I'm not as high on the idea of trading Favors, but if DL could pull that off it would be pretty epic.

 

[slc]

Just curious
How many times has a team traded the #1 pick away.
I mean when they actually knew it was the #1.
Not a future first round pick that turned out to be the #1.
Can not have happened much.

 

[Stifle Tower]

OK, I've gotcha now. Philly wouldn't be able to trade up to #1 themselves because they don't have an experienced defensive big on a good contract to trade and that is what Cleveland covets. Nor does Orlando, or Boston, or the Lakers. Once you get past that you draft pick becomes increasingly less valuable. If Cleveland trades out, it will have to be for Love or with us. Favors is under contract for quite a while, Love isn't.

Good point. I think they do want a big. Thompson is a serviceable PF. If they could get Love, sure, they'd do it. But GS and Boston can both make better offers. Short of Irving, there isn't a player comparable to Klay Thompson on Cleveland's roster. So the #1 pick would have to be the trade. Embiid at #1 sure made a LOT of sense, even though he is very raw. Would have been very easy to slot him in behind Varejao until that contract expired. Favors or Asik might be the most attainable via trade.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The big question is will the Millers allow DL to trade Favors? Remember when he was signed to the extension? All I heard from the Millers is why can't every player be like Favors and how can we keep Favor here for his career? Some of that might be lip service. I get the feeling that a lot of it is the truth. Will the Millers tell DL no if the opportunity is there?

If the pick is Jabari? Flippin' heck the Millers will do that deal. Imagine how may fetchin' Jabari jerseys will get sold. LDS Church may even allow a one-month tithing amnesty to purchase them. Could even be a Friday casual day requirement at Church HQ to come attired in Jabari clothing. If Parker lands in Utah, they won't be able to stock jerseys fast enough.

 

[trigg3r]

If the pick is Jabari? Flippin' heck the Millers will do that deal. Imagine how may fetchin' Jabari jerseys will get sold. LDS Church may even allow a one-month tithing amnesty to purchase a Jabari jersey. If Parker lands in Utah, they won't be able to stock jerseys fast enough.

Maybe they do that deal. What if DL is thinking along the lines of Chad Ford and he wants Wiggins? You remember Larry nixing a chance to trade AK years ago. Will the Millers step in and do the same. I don't know if it as cut and dry that they would do it as you think it is. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[Twin Towers]

If the pick is Jabari? Flippin' heck the Millers will do that deal. Imagine how may fetchin' Jabari jerseys will get sold. LDS Church may even allow a one-month tithing amnesty to purchase them. Could even be a Friday casual day requirement at Church HQ to come attired in Jabari clothing. If Parker lands in Utah, they won't be able to stock jerseys fast enough.

HA HA. This is funny.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Maybe they do that deal. What if DL is thinking along the lines of Chad Ford and he wants Wiggins? You remember Larry nixing a chance to trade AK years ago. Will the Millers step in and do the same. I don't know if it as cut and dry that they would do it as you think it is. Maybe I am wrong.

Yes, they may hesitate to do the deal for Wiggins. Wiggins is a "long-term" project. Everyone agrees Parker is more NBA-ready. Parker in Utah sells out EVERY Jazz game. He makes merchandise FLY off the shelves. He absolutely ENERGIZES a fan base that has become morose the last two years. Wiggins doesn't have the same effect. Maybe in 2-3 years he develops into the same type of scorer and the Jazz start to win > 50%. But even if the Jazz only improve from 25 to 35 wins with Parker next season, the team gets more publicity, sells more tickets and merchandise, etc.

And remember, I'm the one who has been saying Parker is over-rated. I still think Favors + Vonleh (my #5 favorite) would be too much. But at this point, the Embiid injury has changed EVERYTHING. It's likely Gordon, Randle, Smart and a damaged Embiid are the options at #5, not one of either Vonleh or Exum as before (I'm guessing Exum and Vonleh will be the 3/4 picks in some order). So the draft dynamics have changed.

 

[bigmike]

If the pick is Jabari? Flippin' heck the Millers will do that deal. Imagine how may fetchin' Jabari jerseys will get sold. LDS Church may even allow a one-month tithing amnesty to purchase them. Could even be a Friday casual day requirement at Church HQ to come attired in Jabari clothing. If Parker lands in Utah, they won't be able to stock jerseys fast enough.

LOL'd big time.