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12-11-2010, Jazz @ Mavs, 6:30 Utah Time

DukeJazz said:
Why did ronnie price leave terry wide open for 3 to help out on dirk? Dirk is liek 7 feet tall. Why elave terry open for a wide open shot when hes an amazing shooteR?
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Are you crazy? I tell you this: NO team in the NBA does have the luxury to defend Dirk one-on-one in this kind of moments, right now. My MVP vote goes to him, he shot 10-12. Despite the fact that he might have been forced to shoot an unbalanced shot, as we know from history, he is greatly capable of maintaining his balance and of hitting weird shots.

Before reading coach's reaction, comments on the loss, I thought differently of the result (b-2-b situation and team's comeback and earning a chance to win it against league's hottest team), but he seemed disappointed and frustrated. He generally praises his players when the Jazz are able to fight back and give themselves a chance, do not back down but this time it should be different. We'll see.
 
The shot clock was at 5. I would rather 1 on 1 with dirk then terry or any player wide open for a 3.Dirk could of missed or even we could of fouled him. A 3 in that time was the worst that could of happened
 
...and speaking of Terrance Williams and Thaddeus Young, if the Jazz had one of those two guys, it would give the Jazz a quick, explosive slasher who could finished above the rim. Unfortunately, they only shoot 34% from 3-pt. range, same as CJ Miles.
 
memo is money said:
Are you crazy? I tell you this: NO team in the NBA does have the luxury to defend Dirk one-on-one in this kind of moments, right now. My MVP vote goes to him, he shot 10-12.
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He shot 10-12 because Utah wasn't challenging him. The zone didn't help in that regard. And in the case of the big 3-pointer by Terry, Price telegraphed the double-team almost before Dork even started dribbling, so DN had plenty of time--seconds--to plan to dish it off. Prices positioning had everything to do with (1) the coaching staff-promoted philosophy of helping the bigs, even if it comes at the expense of outside shots; (2) Price's lack of faith, conscious or unconscious, in Millsap being able to stop Dirk on his own. Problem is that a one-on-one Nowitzki with the 24-second clock somewhat close to expiring is a lower-probability shot than a wide-open Terry trey.

Dork has proven in the past that if you body up on him a little bit (hopefully without a foul, usually more successful without the ball), he shrivels like a German grape. Even though Dork wasn't in for some of the minutes that Elson logged his 5 fouls, FE was able to do that and still have a substantial +/-. Wimpylenko and 6'7" Millsap, on the other hand, clearly didn't annoy the guys they were guarding enough.

I would have liked to know if things would've been different if Miles had started over Hayward. As much as I like to see Sloan give any crumb of minutes to the youngins, Elder Hayward had proven that he wasn't ready for the big lights yet--at least not to start. With Price being such a great matchup on Terry, and Marion as the only legitimate backup at the 3/4, it seems that Utah could've afforded starting CJ (or even Price on Stevenson) starting instead of Gordie. The bigger problem was that Millsap was no bother for Dirk, and Kirilenko was either not tried enough or proved early that he couldn't stop his fellow Eurobig, either.
 
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Jazz's Sloan, Mavericks' Carlisle discuss Dallas' first quarter-fueled win

Published on Dec 11, 2010 11:17PM 0 Comments

Official postgame quotes from Jazz coach Jerry Sloan and Dallas coach Rick Carlisle.
Sloan

“It looked like we weren’t interested. I hate to say that, but I have to be honest about it. I think you have to be interested in wanting to win and not looking for excuses to be tired or for whatever the case may be. They [Dallas] just tried to bury us, fortunately we fought back, but that’s no consolation.”

(What was the problem in the 1st quarter?) – “What I say? I said we came out and we were trying to play like we were tired. We never competed at all. They shot in our face to start the ballgame like we never guarded them. We just tried to guard them with our head and that’s not good enough.”

(It’s been a problem all season, you’ve had comebacks before, but 25 is a lot to get down…) – “There’s not question about that. I tried to substitute different guys and move guys in and out a little bit to see if we could get something going, but we couldn’t. We got back to 14 for a long period of time and then of course coming down the stretch you’ve got Nowitzki and Terry – they had big games to finish us of.”

(Anything psychologically that these guys need to do?) – “I don’t know psychological. I’m not a psychologist. All I know is when you come out here on the floor play hard. Get after people, guard them, show them respect and guard them, and I don’t think we did that to start with. When we started doing that we got back into the ballgame a little bit.”

(How much did Brewer and Elson help you?) – “If everybody makes shots everybody helps you. Ronnie [Brewer] made a couple shots. Fran [Elson] was trying to guard Nowitzki; we don’t have anybody to really go out and stop the guy, nobody does, he’s such a terrific player. At least he was battling and trying to make him work for everything and we kind of got back into the ballgame, they had a little bit of a let down, and we just couldn’t finish it this time.”
Mavericks Head Coach Rick Carlisle

(On letting a 25-point lead go…) – “I’m happy that we won. I love that we were able to get off to that kind of a hot start. Those things never hold up. I was with a team in Indiana that got off to a 35-8 start in Utah one time and Utah came back to take the lead and we ended up barely winning. That’s a team that fights, and they fight back, and they had a bunch of guys out there in crunch time that are just hard playing guys and some of their stars were on the bench. Sometimes, particularly during this stretch, we’re studying everything very closely and you don’t blow those leads, but sometimes it happens. I like the way we hung in down the stretch, because they were hot, they were making shots, and we had to win the game. And we did. It’s a win that we needed. Is it perfect? No. But I just think sometimes there are those types of games where you just lose leads.”

(Jet [Terry] struggled through 3 quarters and stepped up in the 4th…) – “Well, in the last 5 minutes of the game he made some decisive shots – him and Dirk. It got started back when in the 1st quarter he took that one foul after the turnover, and then his second foul is really his third foul, and then he’s just out of the game. What it came down to tonight was him staying into the game mentally defensively, and then when opportunities came he had to be ready to shoot the ball. And I don’t know if we could’ve won the game without him. It was good. He just showed some real wherewithal hanging in there.”

— Brian T. Smith
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By the way, Sloan; while you deny being a psychologist, that coach in L.A. with 10ish rings is revered for his psychological skill.
https://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5195337

Even more damning and ironic is the fact that Rick Carlisle studied psychology in college and said a few years ago, "My job is very much alike to that of a psychologist."
https://hoopshype.com/interviews/carlisle_gozalbo.htm#ixzz17sSLogrb
There was one coach who was the better psychologist tonight: the one who has acknowledged that one of his roles is to be one.

It doesn't take a college degree in psychology, though, to know that psychology is very much part of coaching. You don't learn that a coach is a psychologist in Coaching 101; you probably learn it in the prerequisite class to get into Coaching 101. Or the remedial class if you fail out of Coaching 101.

BTW, Jer, whether you're a psychologist or not, a coach's job is to put the best combination on the floor at all times, and when your starting lineup proves game after game to not be the best combination, maybe it's time to make some changes--and I don't mean putting Hayward in the starting lineup due to an injury.
 
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siromar said:
Brewer was incredible tonight.
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LOL.

The real Ronnie Brewer did OK tonight, too--with 8 points, 5 rebounds, 4-for-7 shooting, and 2 steals.
https://www.nba.com/games/20101211/MINCHI/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000345#nbaGIboxscore
(Not surprisingly--according to the play-by-play--two of Ronnie B's four made shots were layups, one of them was a dunk, and only one make was a jump shot. That being said, I think Utah coulda used him tonight in the lineup if they could have afforded him.)
 
It sure would be nice if our #9 draft pick could score.

His last 2 starts have been quite impressive. 0-3 with more fouls than rebounds, steals, and points combined.

Hated the way we started. Loved the way we fought back.

But it's obvious to me that we're only rolling with 1 player @ the wing position. Hayward looks like a D-league player, AK looks like a 9th man (and losing his athleticism fast), and CJ looks like a solid 6th or 7th man. We really need to pull the trigger and get in another wing if we hope to make a run this year. Lets look to the Twolves, Grizz, and Bobcats for sales. They'll be packing it in and probably willing to trade here in another few weeks or so.
 
Just out of curiosity, what did Dallas trade to get Caron?

That's one of the most underrated trades or signing I've ever seen. He's their 2nd best player.

Marion looks terrible... Well, not really. Just about as bad as AK and Hayward....
 
InGameStrategy said:
Sloan's post-game interview made it sound like the disaster of the first 6 or 12 minutes was all on the players (except he might've said "we" a few times). At the first sign of defensive ineffectiveness, I would've sat down Millsap (or whoever was defending Dork), with Elson getting specific instructions to stop Nowitski, or FE is coming back out of the game. At least Sloan was willing to call a time out, but he should know by now that there are a few bigs that Millsap is simply too small to handle. And yes, the team needs more out of Kirilenko, too.
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Because it was on us.

I've seen chairs play with more competitiveness than we did. I've seen marshmallows lay harder hits and offer more resistance than we did. We would have been losing by 20+ against Snow College's Girls Basketball team with the amount of effort and intelligence as we played with those first few minutes.
Yes the mavs were hot. But we weren't guarding anyone and weren't executing at all offensively.
 
Catchall said:
...and speaking of Terrance Williams and Thaddeus Young, if the Jazz had one of those two guys, it would give the Jazz a quick, explosive slasher who could finished above the rim. Unfortunately, they only shoot 34% from 3-pt. range, same as CJ Miles.
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Jeremy Evans?
 
Note to Jerry: in no way, shape, or form can Milsap guard the big German. No way. So if you insist on that matchup, prepared to get burned time and again. I know your starting lineup is sacrosanct, but you better re-think this one.

And another note to Jerry: Hayward is not an NBA player right now. He is totally lost and cannot even shoot it. Send him to the D-league ASAP to at least get his stroke going.
 
Steve Javie obviously worked his magic, but make no mistake about it: The Jazz lost this game in the 1st-quarter.

1/5 of our starting lineup came to play in the first-half and Deron Williams single-handedly carried us through 3-quarters. The amount of pressure on Deron is ridiculous and his briliance (along with a great 4th-qtr effort by our bench) had us tied with 2 minutes to play. Jefferson and Millsap combined to shoot 3-14 in the first half while Tyson Chander and Dirk Nowitzki shot a combined 9-10. If Jefferson, Millsap and Kirilenko show up small in the first-half this team has no chance at doing anything - other than riding Deron Williams into the ground by February.

Some good coaching moves by Jerry - playing Evans in the 4th and the zone defense limited Dirk's FG attempts (to 12) and forced TO's which allowed the Jazz to get some easy baskets on their 15-2 run which immediately followed the 29-4 start by Dallas. It's obvious Dirk is a matchup problem for Millsap but his length - plus Tyson Chandler's terrific post-defense completely smothers Millsap and Jefferson inside. Almost twice as many rebounds for Dirk (15) than Sap (8), and Sap had 2 layups where he would've scored had he gone straight-up, but he pump-faked then allowed the defense to recover to alter/block the shot.

The odds are evening out this month. Jazz were winning these type of frenetic comebacks where they ride that surge of emotion in November (13-2), now they're losing them in December (3-3). The only silver-lining is maybe they will finally understand they need to come to play in the first-half.
 
northeast said:
What about having Kirilenko guard Dirk, + Millsap guard Butler?
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First, except for maybe Elson or maybe even Fes (worth a try) the Jazz do not have anyone who can guard Dirk. But Sap is very ill equipped as he is not at all used to guarding someone out from the basket who can put it on the floor. Klinko might be better, but Butler would eat up Milsap too. Jerry seems to know it but does not try to do anything about it. So to me, it seems like you might want to put in Elson in starting to guard him at least for a few minutes, to keep him from getting off to a fast start. Then make sure Elson is available the last few minutes of a close game to keep Dirk in check to some degree. I am sure that the Mavs knew exaclty what was coming that last shot by Terry.
 
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Jazz's Miles — 'We've just got to knock them in the mouth first'

Published on Dec 11, 2010 11:40PM 0 Comments

The Jazz's Paul Millsap and C.J. Miles discuss Utah's trend of slow starts.

Millsap

Something serious going on or did Utah just face a hot Dallas team: "It was. The main thing was confidence. They came out with a lot of confidence. And it showed in the first few minutes. They was just shooting shots just to shoot them. Just get 'em up to the basket and they went in. So, confidence had a lot to play with that."

Are the Jazz being as aggressive during first quarter as they are during second through fourth: "First off, we've got to match that intensity in the first quarter. We've got to come out with the same swagger, the same confidence as they did, to not put ourselves in that predicament. We've just got a little down cause they was hitting shots. But in the second half we bogged down, played some good defense and forced them to take some tough shots."

Being confident when they take the court: "I guess we've got to force ourselves to have it in the first quarter. We know what type of talent we have, what we can do. We've just got to do it from jump — from jump to finish."

Miles

Cause of the slow start against Mavericks: "They came out blazing, and we didn't do enough to try to slow it down either, though. We let them — they shot in our faces, they got around us. Mostly they made 3s, though, and they really killed us. And we didn't do enough to try to take them out of that rhythm. We could've at least made them put it on the floor; do something. They made some tough shots, also. We've got to be able to come back at 'em or something. Foul somebody, do something — knock somebody down and just try to slow that crowd down, slow that momentum down. We didn't do it."

Fixing it: "Come out with that intensity. Not let somebody knock us down, then get back up and figure, thinking now they're not going to play us. That team's on a 11-game winning streak for a reason — well, 12, now. That's because they come out and they go after people. They do. They did it in our building. They did it here. They did it the past 11 teams before us. We've just got to knock them in the mouth first."

— Brian T. Smith
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vslice02 said:
Some good coaching moves by Jerry - playing Evans in the 4th and the zone defense limited Dirk's FG attempts (to 12) and forced TO's which allowed the Jazz to get some easy baskets on their 15-2 run which immediately followed the 29-4 start by Dallas. It's obvious Dirk is a matchup problem for Millsap but his length - plus Tyson Chandler's terrific post-defense completely smothers Millsap and Jefferson inside. Almost twice as many rebounds for Dirk (15) than Sap (8), and Sap had 2 layups where he would've scored had he gone straight-up, but he pump-faked then allowed the defense to recover to alter/block the shot.
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Yeah, some good coaching moves by Jerry--somewhere between 1/2 and 2 1/2 quarters too late.

Sloan should have known from previous games that Millsap on Dirk doesn't work.

vslice02 said:
The odds are evening out this month. Jazz were winning these type of frenetic comebacks where they ride that surge of emotion in November (13-2), now they're losing them in December (3-3). The only silver-lining is maybe they will finally understand they need to come to play in the first-half.
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This isn't about odds; there's little correlation between this loss and previous wins.

The game was winnable with better game planning and/or faster adjustments.
 
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