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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];808910 said:
your interpretations of the news/interviews from 1280.
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Be specific.

Did you listen to all? The podiums and the locke's? Some of the podium's haven't been posted yet.
 
Sexual Favors said:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/57592916-62/jazz-williams-chance-deal.html.csp

Started with Chad Ford.

The particulars still aren't known. I would assume that it had a bad contract attached, but maybe it didn't. Afterall, Marvin was lighting it up pre-trade deadline. Not ready to say it was the wring move because I don't know what the deal was, just pointing out that there was a deal that DL refused.
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I think it's fair to guess that if it were a 1st-rounder, straight up, DL woulda pulled the trigger. But, maybe you can do a little research for us.... Was there a deal that went down that was similar to Marv for a first rounder (straight up)? I can't think of one, but I didn't follow the deadline that closely.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Entitlement is too strong of a word given that he has only logged 4090 minutes.
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Dude was 106th in minutes played in the NBA this season, and averaged nearly 27 minutes per game. His play didn't warrant the minutes he received. "Entitled" is the appropriate word here.

Sexual Favors said:
Who else from his class is playing better?
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Kyrie
Parsons
Kemba
Klay
Isaiah
Vucevic
Kawhi
Alec
Faried
Jonas

You can make an argument for all of the other players from his draft class who averaged more minutes this season as well.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];808927 said:
I'm too busy right now to outline the specifics. But you seem to be making definitives out of vagueness, marketing-level jabber, and the basic elusiveness we should expect around house secrets.
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If I did, I apologize, but I don't think I did. Be specific, and I will link you to where I got the info if there's a link (some of the podiums haven't been podcasted yet). Until you have a real complaint, with evidence, about my posts, maybe you shouldn't try and tarnish them, eh?
 
GVC said:
Dude was 106th in minutes played in the NBA this season, and averaged nearly 27 minutes per game. His play didn't warrant the minutes he received. "Entitled" is the appropriate word here.

Kyrie
Parsons
Kemba
Klay
Isaiah
Vucevic
Kawhi
Alec
Faried
Jonas

You can make an argument for all of the other players from his draft class who averaged more minutes this season as well.
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To your first point, you could argue that initially his play didn't warrant his minutes, maybe, but when you take the context of the season and his potential into account I believe you are wrong. Anyways, since March, Enes had played much better and was more deserving of a bigger slice of the minutes, which he sometimes got, but was mostly bounced around.

To your second point, I was speaking about big men. Kanter's per 36 is very respectable and pretty similar to those bigs you listed. Once again, the context is we are a rebuilding team, he was/is a project prospect, and he is very much a part of our future.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];808929 said:
I think it's fair to guess that if it were a 1st-rounder, straight up, DL woulda pulled the trigger. But, maybe you can do a little research for us.... Was there a deal that went down that was similar to Marv for a first rounder (straight up)? I can't think of one, but I didn't follow the deadline that closely.
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Can't thunk of one either. Nothing in this list looks like one as well:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/20/5430302/nba-trades-today-deadline-rumors-2014
 
Vermin said:
I'll help. Post #36



https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?27952-Hayward-or-Kanter/page3
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Dude, first of all those were different interviews compiled throughout the year. I gave you time sigs, tou can reference them.

Second of all, I am not sayin, nor did I say Favors is being shipped out. I said DL sees Gobert filling derrick's role, and that DL is extremely high on Kanter (which was reaffirmed yet again today). Then I said that Favors is inked and more of a known commodity than Favors, so if one of them is likely to be traded it would be him because the value is already there.

It was in response to you, Tony and others saying Kanter will be traded.

Kanter won't be traded (since he is unproven/still has potential, and the new cba makes sign and trades imoossible). Favors won't be traded (unless there is a lot of value to be had, but it is unlikely).

Reread my posts from that thread in context instead of bolding sentences here and there.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Kanter's per 36...
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****ing terrible argument. The second unit's offense was run through him pretty consistently, and he grabbed a lot of O-boards playing on a terrible offensive team. His grasp of 5-man basketball and defensive effort/focus was poor for most of the season. Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?
 
Sexual Favors said:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/57592916-62/jazz-williams-chance-deal.html.csp

Started with Chad Ford.

The particulars still aren't known. I would assume that it had a bad contract attached, but maybe it didn't. Afterall, Marvin was lighting it up pre-trade deadline. Not ready to say it was the wring move because I don't know what the deal was, just pointing out that there was a deal that DL refused.
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You're a decent poster, so I apologize for sounding a little more confrontational than I should have been. Guess I'm just tired of seeing blanket statements such as we could have gotten "this" or Lindsey should do whatever it takes, etc. AS you said, we don't know the details. But given the fact that Turner and Hawes fetched nothing more than 2nd's, I think it's likely a first round pick would have required taking on a contract with at least another year left. Otherwise, I think DL would have jumped on it; he likes to accumulate assets.
 
GVC said:
****ing terrible argument. The second unit's offense was run through him pretty consistently, and he grabbed a lot of O-boards playing on a terrible offensive team. His grasp of 5-man basketball and defensive effort/focus was poor for most of the season. Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?
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Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.
 
GVC said:
Dude was 106th in minutes played in the NBA this season, and averaged nearly 27 minutes per game. His play didn't warrant the minutes he received. "Entitled" is the appropriate word here.

Kyrie
Parsons
Kemba
Klay
Isaiah
Vucevic
Kawhi
Alec
Faried
Jonas
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where was enes ranked in minutes played per game in relation to the players you listed?

Maybe if he got minutes like kyrie, klay, faried, etc then he might be on thier level production wise
 
GVC said:
Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?
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On the worst team in the west? Yup
 
Sexual Favors said:
Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.
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this
 
Sexual Favors said:
Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.
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1. He was out there. 27 minutes per game. Those are starter minutes. Enes's play warranted less. I can't imagine giving unwarranted minutes to players incentivizes playing hard to earn a greater role and more minutes very well. "Entitled".

2. Once again, unrealistic expectations. There were 16 players in the league who averaged 36 minutes per game.

3. So...Marvin broke by playing 25 minutes per game, but there was no reason not to play Enes 36?
 
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