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yamers said:
and....jefferson accomplished nothing.

hes gone next year.
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Another idiotic statement. RJ had a much better year then expected. I haven't seen his career stats, but I'm guessing this was his best 3point shooting year ever, and overall best year in a few years, probably earned himself more money next year.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Another idiotic statement. RJ had a much better year then expected. I haven't seen his career stats, but I'm guessing this was his best 3point shooting year ever, and overall best year in a few years, probably earned himself more money next year.
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Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that he (and probably Marvin) should have been coming off the bench for the long-term interests of this team. There still are so many questions about this team that could have (should have) been answered since wins and losses were not the most important thing this year.

For his own personal success, RJ had a great year. As far as the Jazz are concerned, I think there's very few coaches in this league that would have played RJ over Burks like Ty decided to do. If they'd finished any better than 4th, the whole season would have been wasted.
 
Ellis269 said:
Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that he (and probably Marvin) should have been coming off the bench for the long-term interests of this team. There still are so many questions about this team that could have (should have) been answered since wins and losses were not the most important thing this year.

For his own personal success, RJ had a great year. As far as the Jazz are concerned, I think there's very few coaches in this league that would have played RJ over Burks like Ty decided to do. If they'd finished any better than 4th, the whole season would have been wasted.
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Exactly. RJ was a "one and done" player for Utah. At MOST, he should have been coming off the bench for 15 mins. This season was about using the players who may/may not be LONG-TERM contributors. Even if Ty didn't want to play Burks more, he could have given Clark some burn and played Hayward more mins. at the SF. Could have played Marvin at SF and opened up additional playing time for Evans and/or Gobert.
 
Ellis269 said:
Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that he (and probably Marvin) should have been coming off the bench for the long-term interests of this team. There still are so many questions about this team that could have (should have) been answered since wins and losses were not the most important thing this year.

For his own personal success, RJ had a great year. As far as the Jazz are concerned, I think there's very few coaches in this league that would have played RJ over Burks like Ty decided to do. If they'd finished any better than 4th, the whole season would have been wasted.
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I agree that under these circumstances RJ should've got less minutes, but disagree that any other coach would've benched him in favor of Burks. Every team needs someone to provide scoring off the bench. Harden with OKC, Ginobili, Crawford with basically every team he's played for. They all played behind inferior talent. The thing I'd have done differently is play RJ bench minutes in the starting lineup. You start him now, he expects to start going forward, and we lose that scoring punch from the second unit.


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Ellis269 said:
Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that he (and probably Marvin) should have been coming off the bench for the long-term interests of this team.
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This is exactly right. Anyone that is arguing the opposite has a specious position and more than likely a trolling position.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I agree that under these circumstances RJ should've got less minutes, but disagree that any other coach would've benched him in favor of Burks. Every team needs someone to provide scoring off the bench. Harden with OKC, Ginobili, Crawford with basically every team he's played for. They all played behind inferior talent. The thing I'd have done differently is play RJ bench minutes in the starting lineup. You start him now, he expects to start going forward, and we lose that scoring punch from the second unit.


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The BIG, GIGANTIC, and HUGE difference between us and those teams you listed is how they all have franchise players in their starting unit, we however do not!

Look at what Harden has done as a starter compared to a bench player. We are in the development stage. With no Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook, Duncan, Parker, etc, in our starting unit, why are we content with defining Burks as a bench player the first year he saw consistent minutes!?

Huge difference.

Corbin's excuses may make sense at first glance, but rarely hold weight when you actually think them through.
 
GVC said:
1. He was out there. 27 minutes per game. Those are starter minutes. Enes's play warranted less. I can't imagine giving unwarranted minutes to players incentivizes playing hard to earn a greater role and more minutes very well. "Entitled".

2. Once again, unrealistic expectations. There were 16 players in the league who averaged 36 minutes per game.

3. So...Marvin broke by playing 25 minutes per game, but there was no reason not to play Enes 36?
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1. No its not. 26min is 6th man minutes.

2. Its not unrealistic to play your #3 pick 32+ in a stated rebuilding year. As SexualFavors also stated we knew that Kanter had only been playing ball for 5yrs and needed on court time to learn the flow of the game.

3. Yes giving 25min too an undersized stretch of is too much.




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Thee jazz fan said:
Another idiotic statement. RJ had a much better year then expected. I haven't seen his career stats, but I'm guessing this was his best 3point shooting year ever, and overall best year in a few years, probably earned himself more money next year.
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That's the problem. Corbin played both Jefferson and Marvin far too much because they were the best corner 3pt shooters on a terrible 3pt shooting team.

They both played terrible defence, put up very low rebounding rate numbers and made us much slower in transition.



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franklin said:
Sounds like Jefferson has finally had enough putting up with the crybaby's **** all season long.

We used to root for humble players like John Stockton who were willing to sit and take advice from those who knew more than they. That respect for knowledge is clearly gone from this fanbase.
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Wow I already didn't like you but now your really coming off as a dumbass. Did you even listen to the interview? Kanter praised the assistant coaches for like two min straight. Said that he learned a great deal also from Rich Jeff, Big All and Marvin. Esp Big Al.

Giving your opinion doesn't make you any less humble, but being afraid to speak your mind does make you a b!tch.

I'm glad Kanter had the fortitude to speak what the rest of the core were beating around the bush about. That's called leadership. Plus he did it in a very respectful way.

Troll on Frank, troll on.

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Thanks, fishonjazz.
I was just about to quote and post the link back to franklin's post #158.

In his defense, it was only one post. I swear, if some of his posts hadn't come during games, I'd seriously believe franklin = Ty Corbin.
 
Core4 said:
Thanks, fishonjazz.
I was just about to quote and post the link back to franklin's post #158.

In his defense, it was only one post. I swear, if some of his posts hadn't come during games, I'd seriously believe franklin = Ty Corbin.
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Nah, Frank's wayyy too smart to be Corbin.



May be Corbin is Frank's alter ego, but definitely not the other way round.
 
Ellis269 said:
Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that he (and probably Marvin) should have been coming off the bench for the long-term interests of this team. There still are so many questions about this team that could have (should have) been answered since wins and losses were not the most important thing this year.

For his own personal success, RJ had a great year. As far as the Jazz are concerned, I think there's very few coaches in this league that would have played RJ over Burks like Ty decided to do. If they'd finished any better than 4th, the whole season would have been wasted.
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RJ didn't play over Burks. Are you getting this from some anti-Jazz blog? It's not true in the least.
 
JoelHodgeJr said:
Wow I already didn't like you but now your really coming off as a dumbass. Did you even listen to the interview? Kanter praised the assistant coaches for like two min straight. Said that he learned a great deal also from Rich Jeff, Big All and Marvin. Esp Big Al.

Giving your opinion doesn't make you any less humble, but being afraid to speak your mind does make you a b!tch.

I'm glad Kanter had the fortitude to speak what the rest of the core were beating around the bush about. That's called leadership. Plus he did it in a very respectful way.

Troll on Frank, troll on.

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Kanter was 3-34 as a starter (or something close, Core4 had better check the exact number and jump me for being one off...).

Losers aren't leaders.
 
franklin said:
Kanter was 3-34 as a starter (or something close, Core4 had better check the exact number and jump me for being one off...).

Losers aren't leaders.
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haha. Nope, whether it's 3-34 +/- is nto a big deal. However, as many of us have noted; you have to look at other factors, such as what players were out when he started. Obviously there is a huge difference if the 5 spot is being manned by Kanter/Gobert or Favors/Kanter.

My issue is with major misstatements of fact like "RJ is the best 3PT shooter in the league."
 
JoelHodgeJr said:
1. No its not. 26min is 6th man minutes.
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How many qualified players in the league played more minutes per game than Kanter? How many teams are in the league? How many starters?

This shouldn't be too difficult to understand. 6th men routinely get more minutes than 1-3 starters. Kanter got starter minutes.
 
VINYLONE said:
This is exactly right. Anyone that is arguing the opposite has a specious position and more than likely a trolling position.
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********. Bringing two of the young guys off the bench allowed all 5 young players to get lots of shots and overall (on-ball) offensive responsibility (been over this before; this is the first time in decades that a team had 5 players under the age of 24 who all averaged 10+ field goal attempts per game). That, and lineups matter.

I agree that Burks should have played more minutes this year, and Kanter should have played more minutes last year. Other than that, Corbin did a pretty decent job with lineups and playing time this season. His real failure was getting the team to play adequate defense.
 
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