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Doublea
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wasn't it about -9 last year? According to Stifle Towers post.
Darkwing Duck
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That sounds about right.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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The Jazz under Corbin did NOT meet the eye test. It was depressing and there was a lot of talk about the rebuild being a flop.
The Jazz under Quin DO meet the eye test. They are competitive in most games. The team has direction.
The youth didn't develop with Corbin. They are stepping up in leaps and bounds under Quin. You can see a difference game to game.
Corbin downward spiral that culminated in the season being pointless for many players. At least that's what their mannerisms showed. Quin has them fighting 'to the man' when they are down 20 and making miracle comebacks only to lose by a few shots.
Last year we were healthy. This year, not even close.
There is a HUGE difference between the two years even if the record doesn't show it.
And with Gobert on the court we are one of the top 5 defenses in the NBA. We weren't top 5 in anything good last year.
Corbin = Frog voiced bodaget, who was a friend to the players, but didn't get them to play hard or better...
Quin = Identity, passion, pride, progress, defense, development...
It will show up in the records the second half of the year.
The Jazz under Quin DO meet the eye test. They are competitive in most games. The team has direction.
The youth didn't develop with Corbin. They are stepping up in leaps and bounds under Quin. You can see a difference game to game.
Corbin downward spiral that culminated in the season being pointless for many players. At least that's what their mannerisms showed. Quin has them fighting 'to the man' when they are down 20 and making miracle comebacks only to lose by a few shots.
Last year we were healthy. This year, not even close.
There is a HUGE difference between the two years even if the record doesn't show it.
And with Gobert on the court we are one of the top 5 defenses in the NBA. We weren't top 5 in anything good last year.
Corbin = Frog voiced bodaget, who was a friend to the players, but didn't get them to play hard or better...
Quin = Identity, passion, pride, progress, defense, development...
It will show up in the records the second half of the year.
Stifle Tower
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Huh? Where did I ever make a reference to point differential?
I was making a case for why the records were identical, comparing positions. I've said numerous times I think this team is in a much better place, with a much better foundation to build on than last year's team, even if some don't think so based purely on W/L's.
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A lot of this has already been covered, but the team is doing well considering how young this team is, especially with a new system and coach. Last year the Jazz were unwatchable. I literally got sick to my stomach trying to get through a game. It was the first season since the arrival of league pass that I didn't watch every game.
This season, I see a lot of inexperience and growing pains based on that inexperience. But the system flows much better (even if mistakes are made) and you can see the potential of our youth. I see so many posts on who to trade, when honestly I think we have the talent (albeit, with a lack of experience) to do very well in this league. The biggest factor outside of experience this year is players not staying health. If Exum can find a way to realize he has the physical tools to be great (goes along with inexperience), and Gobert continues to develop at even a fraction of the pace from last year to date, we will be in awesome shape. This is a VERY young, very talented team.
With that said, I do like most of what we are doing on offense, but I do wish Trey would quit shooting so damn much. Even at his improved %s over the last few games, they still are not the most effective shots. He averages more shots per game than over 90% of the PGs in the league.
This season, I see a lot of inexperience and growing pains based on that inexperience. But the system flows much better (even if mistakes are made) and you can see the potential of our youth. I see so many posts on who to trade, when honestly I think we have the talent (albeit, with a lack of experience) to do very well in this league. The biggest factor outside of experience this year is players not staying health. If Exum can find a way to realize he has the physical tools to be great (goes along with inexperience), and Gobert continues to develop at even a fraction of the pace from last year to date, we will be in awesome shape. This is a VERY young, very talented team.
With that said, I do like most of what we are doing on offense, but I do wish Trey would quit shooting so damn much. Even at his improved %s over the last few games, they still are not the most effective shots. He averages more shots per game than over 90% of the PGs in the league.
After the 39 games last season the Jazz's average point differential was -6.8. It ended up being -7.2 for the whole season. I had to calculate it in Excel after getting the game results from basketball-reference.
It feels like they are in more games this year. I have no idea how to test that theory (be in point differential in games, or something like even point differential at the end of the 3rd to show that they played teams tough but just can't close anything out), or if it's just rose colored glasses viewing it, but the Jazz feel way more competitive this year, despite their record.
From -6.8 to -3.3 is a great improvement. And it feels that way when you're watching the games this year.
How many times have the Jazz just got their asses kicked from start to finish this year? Not many that I can remember. Though I was never a huge fan of the games where they were getting their asses kicked and then made a miraculous comeback only to come short. That feels to me more like another team just letting up than anything else.
mellow
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Nearly halfway through the season, and my wins prediction is right on track!
Btw, the nba is just a mess these days. Two many stacked teams, too many rebuilding teams. Emphasis seems to be on drama over basketball to a degree that was never reached even in the pinnacle of Stern's magic kingdom.
Btw, the nba is just a mess these days. Two many stacked teams, too many rebuilding teams. Emphasis seems to be on drama over basketball to a degree that was never reached even in the pinnacle of Stern's magic kingdom.
What was the comapirson of home to away games between this season and last season? Have the Jazz played more road games up to this point this season? And what was the winning %s of the teams faced?
I don't have time to look at winning %, but both last year and this year the Jazz played 18 home and 21 away games in the first 39.
Stifle Tower
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I tend to think the season had three segments:
1-14 start (difficult schedule, injury to Trey)
18-19 middle (up to the all-star break)
6-24 after the break
It's that 6-24 I found troubling. Why the steep drop-off? I don't for a second believe players were purposely "tanking," especially those in their contract year. IMO, combination of assorted injuries, a normal let-down as losing continues, and the fact that teams fighting for playoff position turn it up a notch and start to shorten rotations. Normally, I'd say we can't expect the same type of drop-off from this team. But without a SG, who knows?
b_line
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Yep, just looked this up on bbr. Thanks for calculating what they were after 39 games. This year, they are -3.3 so far. That is a huge improvement over last year's -6.8 at this time. We are improving, and it seems rapid to the eye test, but it looks slow by the stats.
I completely agree about the 6-24 misery business after the All-Star break. Besides the factors you mentioned, part of me thinks that guys may have dialed it in to a point due to believing that Ty wouldn't be back.
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addictionary
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Could be worse. Not enough washed up vets to steal away some contract in contract year.