14th Tank Platoon

[Stoked]

Or they could just keep losing and get the a better lottery seeding and avoid the chance to lose to Indy/Miami

Not for New York. Not this year anyways.

 

[orangello]

All is not lost, Curry only played 22 minutes last night, has " soreness" in his right leg but would not elaborate. Bogut banged up his right knee the other night. And Iggy dislocated a finger.

There is still hope. But I agree the window is closing. They need a major injury soon.

Great work mellow. I didn't know about any of that.

Hope restored.

Sent from the JazzFanz app

 

[Stifle Tower]

Or they could just keep losing and get the a better lottery seeding and avoid the chance to lose to Indy/Miami.

Cleveland made acquisitions to push for the playoffs. New York is trying to convince Carmelo to stay (I think). Detroit is another story. They have an interim coach and Dumars is likely out at the end of the season. But that may be good. No one is going to be pushing for the tank. If Detroit could make the playoffs, it boosts the resume of their interim coach.

 

[BTP]

I'm encouraged by losing streak Atlanta has. Brings the #8 playoff spot back into play for Cleveland, Detroit and New York. Making the playoffs IS desirable in the EC since the team that misses only drops 1 spot in the draft order. Sure, they have an infinitesimal chance of moving into the top-3 if they miss the playoffs, but making the playoffs brings in revenue and tells a nice story to fans and FA's.

This is actually wrong, as the draftslots 11 through 14 are taken by Western teams, and 15 through 20 by Eastern teams. So if you barely make it as an Eastern team you're #15. If you barely miss it then you're #10.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I'm encouraged by losing streak Atlanta has. Brings the #8 playoff spot back into play for Cleveland, Detroit and New York. Making the playoffs IS desirable in the EC since the team that misses only drops 1 spot in the draft order. Sure, they have an infinitesimal chance of moving into the top-3 if they miss the playoffs, but making the playoffs brings in revenue and tells a nice story to fans and FA's.

I think making the playoffs will drop you about 3-4 spots as Mem, Min and possibly Den and NO will likely have a better record than the 9th EC team. Other than that I agree. NY especially as they don't have their pick will be motivated.

Edit: Just read your post BTP, agree with what you said..

 

[Stifle Tower]

This is actually wrong, as the draftslots 11 through 14 are taken by Western teams, and 15 through 20 by Eastern teams. So if you barely make it as an Eastern team you're #15. If you barely miss it then you're #10.

Oops, my bad. You are right. Detroit is currently sitting in the 11th spot and would drop to #15 if they made the playoffs. I think the talent pool is fairly similar in the late-lottery so not a huge deal to be in the 9-15 range (kind of like when Utah drafted Hayward among some 6-8 players that were rated very close). Cleveland and NY have huge motivation to make the playoffs. Detroit perhaps not as much.

 

[BTP]

Oops, my bad. You are right. Detroit is currently sitting in the 11th spot and would drop to #15 if they made the playoffs. I think the talent pool is fairly similar in the late-lottery so not a huge deal to be in the 9-15 range (kind of like when Utah drafted Hayward among some 6-8 players that were rated very close). Cleveland and NY have huge motivation to make the playoffs. Detroit perhaps not as much.

I think with all the draft debts it's really tough to predict where the front offices actually approach the coaches and ask them to tank.
New Orleans and Detroit would be the examples here. I think you can rule out Detroit because their coach is in a contract year but in New Orleans it may happen.

 

[Primetime]

Update!

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[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]Conf.[/td]
[td]win[/td]
[td]loss[/td]
[td]win pct.[/td]
[td]tank alert(last 10 games)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]Milwaukee Bucks[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]12[/td]
[td]48[/td]
[td].200[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]Philadelphia 76ers[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]46[/td]
[td].246[/td]
[td]0-10[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]Orlando Magic[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]44[/td]
[td].302[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]Boston Celtics[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]41[/td]
[td].328[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]L.A. Lakers[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]41[/td]
[td].339[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]Utah Jazz[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]40[/td]
[td].344[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]New York Knicks*2[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]40[/td]
[td].355[/td]
[td]2-8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]Sacramento Kings*6[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]39[/td]
[td].361[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]Cleveland Cavaliers[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]38[/td]
[td].387[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]Detroit Pistons*5[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]37[/td]
[td].393[/td]
[td]2-8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]New Orleans Pelicans*1[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]37[/td]
[td].393[/td]
[td]2-8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]Denver Nuggets*3[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td].433[/td]
[td]2-8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13th[/td]
[td]Minnesota Timberwolves*9[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td].500[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td]Memphis Grizzlies[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td].567[/td]
[td]7-3[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Goden State Warriors: 23rd

On the edge in the West​

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[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]win[/td]
[td]loss[/td]
[td]win pct.[/td]
[td]Last 10 games[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]Golden State Warriors[/td]
[td]38[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td].613[/td]
[td]7-3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]Phoenix Suns[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td].590[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]Dallas Mavericks[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td].581[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]Memphis Grizzlies[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td].567[/td]
[td]7-3[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


*1 Philadelphia 76ers: Receives New Orleans Pelicans 2014 first-round pick (1-5 protected in 2014) via Jrue Holiday trade on 7/10/13.

*2 Denver Nuggets: Receives New York Knicks 2014 first-round pick via Carmelo Anthony trade on 02/22/11.

*3 Orlando Magic: Receives less favorable of Denver Nuggets/New York Knicks 2014 first-round pick via Dwight Howard trade on 8/10/12.

*4 Phoenix Suns: Receives Washington Wizards 2014 first-round pick (1-12 protected in 2014) via Marcin Gortat trade on 8/25/13.

*5 Charlotte Bobcats: Receives Detroit Pistons 2014 first-round pick (1-8 protected in 2014) via Ben Gordon trade on 6/26/12.

*6 Chicago Bulls: Receives Sacramento Kings 2014 first-round pick (1-12 protected in 2014) via J.J. Hickson trade on 6/30/11 to Cleveland. Via Luol Deng trade on 01/06/14

*7 Atlanta Hawks: Has right to swap 2014 first-round pick with Brooklyn Nets via Joe Johnson trade on 7/11/12.

*8 Chicago Bulls: Receives Charlotte’s 2014 first-round pick (1-10 protected in 2014) via Tyrus Thomas trade on 2/18/10.

*9 Phoenix Suns: Receives Minnesota Timberwolves 2014 first-round pick (1-13 protected in 2014) via Wesley Johnson trade on 7/27/13.

*10 Utah Jazz: Receive Golden State Warriors 2014 first-round pick (unprotected)


[table="width: 800, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Seed[/td]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]13th[/td]
[td]14th[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td].250[/td]
[td].215[/td]
[td].178[/td]
[td].357[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td].199[/td]
[td].188[/td]
[td].171[/td]
[td].319[/td]
[td].123[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td].156[/td]
[td].157[/td]
[td].156[/td]
[td].226[/td]
[td].265[/td]
[td].040[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td].119[/td]
[td].126[/td]
[td].133[/td]
[td].099[/td]
[td].351[/td]
[td].160[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td].088[/td]
[td].097[/td]
[td].107[/td]
[td][/td]
[td].261[/td]
[td].360[/td]
[td].084[/td]
[td].004[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td].063[/td]
[td].071[/td]
[td].081[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].439[/td]
[td].305[/td]
[td].040[/td]
[td].001[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td].043[/td]
[td].049[/td]
[td].058[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].529[/td]
[td].232[/td]
[td].018[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td].028[/td]
[td].033[/td]
[td].039[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].724[/td]
[td].168[/td]
[td].008[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td].017[/td]
[td].020[/td]
[td].024[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].813[/td]
[td].122[/td]
[td].004[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td].011[/td]
[td].013[/td]
[td].016[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].870[/td]
[td].089[/td]
[td].002[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td].008[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].907[/td]
[td].063[/td]
[td].001[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].935[/td]
[td].039[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13th[/td]
[td].006[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].960[/td]
[td].018[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td].005[/td]
[td].006[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].982[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Tank Ranking:
1. Philadelphia 76ers
2. Boston Celtics
2. New York Knicks
2. Detroit Pistons
2. New Orleans Pelicans
2. Denver Nuggets




Wins for the worst teams since '03:

[table="width: 700, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]03/04[/td]
[td]04/05[/td]
[td]05/06[/td]
[td]06/07[/td]
[td]07/08[/td]
[td]08/09[/td]
[td]09/10[/td]
[td]10/11[/td]
[td]12/13[/td]
[td]Average since 2003[/td]
[td]Last 5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]13[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]12[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]17,6[/td]
[td]16,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]20,2[/td]
[td]18,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]23,2[/td]
[td]22,4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4h[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]25,5[/td]
[td]23,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]31[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]26,3[/td]
[td]24,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]28,2[/td]
[td]25,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]30,2[/td]
[td]28,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]35[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]32,1[/td]
[td]30,8[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

 

[Stifle Tower]

And my part of the update...
Time to send this team of with a 21-Gun Salute (as in 21 Games Until NoMoreRJ,AB,BR,TC)

Here is the remaining schedule. It's soft. And I hope I'm WAY OFF, but I see 7-10 wins...UNLESS Favors has his hip flare up again. Jazz need to find a way to lose unexpectedly (good loss, ugly loss...doesn't matter). Tonight's game is critical. Utah MUST lose to the Knicks. Hoping Stoudemire continues his resurgence after being inserted into the starting line-up.

[TABLE="width: 323"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 126, bgcolor: transparent"]Remaining Games
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 304, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Home (11):
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]Atl, Dal, LAC, Orl, Det, Mem, NY, NO, Dal, Por, LAL
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Away (10):
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]NY, Phi, SA, Hou, Mem, NO, OKC, GS, Den, Min
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl68, bgcolor: #4f81bd"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, bgcolor: #4f81bd"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Should Win (7)
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]@Phi, Atl, Orl, Det, NY, NO, LAL
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Should Lose (8)
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]LAC, @SA, @Hou, @Mem, @OKC, @GS, Por, @Min
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Could Win (6)
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]@NY, Dal, Mem, @NO, Dal, @Den
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cleveland made acquisitions to push for the playoffs. New York is trying to convince Carmelo to stay (I think). Detroit is another story. They have an interim coach and Dumars is likely out at the end of the season. But that may be good. No one is going to be pushing for the tank. If Detroit could make the playoffs, it boosts the resume of their interim coach.

Losing 4-0 would probably be worse for NYC's image to Melo than just missing the playoffs.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Losing 4-0 would probably be worse for NYC's image to Melo than just missing the playoffs.

I think Melo's going to bolt to either LA or Chicago. He can see he left NY in a horrible mess by forcing the trade. They have no assets available to improve the team goign forward. NY needs to tear it down, suffer through the last season of Stoudemire's terrible contract and then rebuild from scratch. Of course, Dolan has ZERO bb sense and will probably keep trying to patch together a team.

 

[Stoked]

I think Melo's going to bolt to either LA or Chicago.

Chicago is my bet.

 

[Stoked]

Some good tank games tonight.

Jazz @ Knicks
Cavs @ Bobcats
Kings @ Raptors
Nets @ Celtics
Bucks @ Pelicans
Lakers @ Nuggets

I highlighted the teams I want to win. If all those teams win it will leave the tank race like so:

Celtics - tied for 4th
Jazz - tied for 4th
Lakers - 1/2 game back
Knicks - 1 1/2 games back
Kings - 2 games back
Cavs - 3 1/2 games back
Pelicans - 4 games back

Celtics and Jazz would only be 1 1/2 game sout of 3rd (Magic). Looks liek the Cavs and Pelicans are fallign behind. There is incentive for the Knicks to do so and I think the Kings will as well. Biggest comeptition is the Lakers and Celtics.

What I think happens is that the Jazz, Lakers and Celtics all lose. They get some seperation from the Kings, Cavs, Pelicans and Knicks.

 

[spycam1]

As long as the Jazz lose tonight, I'll be happy.

 

[spycam1]

Chicago is my bet.

Idk what Chicago's cap situation is, but I think Melo could take them to the next level, assuming Rose can make a good comeback.

The problem with this Bulls team has always been their lack of a legit 2nd option. They had Rose and a great group of role players. Rose/Melo would be a serious 1-2 punch.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Melo is going to stay in NYC.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Idk what Chicago's cap situation is, but I think Melo could take them to the next level, assuming Rose can make a good comeback.

The problem with this Bulls team has always been their lack of a legit 2nd option. They had Rose and a great group of role players. Rose/Melo would be a serious 1-2 punch.

Rose is done being an All-Star.

 

[fishonjazz]

Chicago is my bet.

Idk what Chicago's cap situation is, but I think Melo could take them to the next level, assuming Rose can make a good comeback.

The problem with this Bulls team has always been their lack of a legit 2nd option. They had Rose and a great group of role players. Rose/Melo would be a serious 1-2 punch.

Melo is going to stay in NYC.

Rose is done being an All-Star.

well that settles that

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

All I know is that Melo loves NYC. I know his wife is adamant about staying in NYC. When has a top player left a big market?

Howard is the only one I know of, but he is a giant weenie.

 

[Revolution 9]

I would be content if we were in the 4th position heading into the lottery draw.