Favors Flave
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I'm all for TJ if it is the #12 pick. At #6, its a stretch but if Biyombo, Kanter, Knight are all gone they should consider it. I would be ecstatic with Biyombo at 6 and TJ at 12
2011 draft.....
- Thread starter Duck Rodgers
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You are right I misread it, his dad's favorite player was Karl Malone, but Biyombo said he used to watch a lot of Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon both.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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What I like about tjones are 2 fold and they fill 2 needs for the jazz.
1. He is already a goodvrebounder. He fights for position well and goes up quickly.
2. He is a very good passer. In the flex offense it is important to have players that are willing to make the extra pass.
1. He is already a goodvrebounder. He fights for position well and goes up quickly.
2. He is a very good passer. In the flex offense it is important to have players that are willing to make the extra pass.
I think this draft has a lot of potential (as does every draft, duh) to have some really good players, no stars, but solid, near all-star level players.
Vesely has upside just given his length and versatility. AK could have been an incredible player if he developed his offense. However, Vesely is by no means a sure thing. I think Terrence Jones is a safer, more conservative pick.
I can only think of Elden Campbell off hand.
Jermaine O'Neal maybe doesn't have much of a chin either.
Here is a comparison of Terrence Jones' and Harrison Barnes' freshman stats. I know stats aren't everything. The only edge Barnes has is on FT% and 3P%. Barnes also shot more than twice as many 3s as Jones did. Jones had better rebound and defensive stats, plus a slightly better shooting percentage overall.
. H.Barnes T.Jones
GP 37 38
MPG 29.4 31.5
PPG 15.7 15.7
RPG 5.8 8.8
APG 1.4 1.6
SPG 0.7 1.1
BPG 0.4 1.9
FG% .423 .442
FT% .750 .646
3P% .344 .329
. H.Barnes T.Jones
GP 37 38
MPG 29.4 31.5
PPG 15.7 15.7
RPG 5.8 8.8
APG 1.4 1.6
SPG 0.7 1.1
BPG 0.4 1.9
FG% .423 .442
FT% .750 .646
3P% .344 .329
BENTLEY
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Well, Barnes first half of the season brings his numbers down.
But I wonder if Barnes much more productive second half of the season brought Jones' numbers down?
Jones ended up with pretty decent stats, which might've been because of his strong play to start the year. 'Cause I didn't see him be so amazing in the tourney. I'm just trying to make sense of it all. And I didn't watch enough of Jones during the regular season. Barnes is the superior player but Jones definitely has the defensive edge and is perfectly fine offensively. Definitely unselfish. That's good. Although I really want a go to stud like Barnes. Maybe next year.
Fishsticks
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Ive been on t jones a while now. Glad others are seeing he should be considered at 6. He does have a slow release which is the only negative, but as others have said that can be worked out.
Hopefully we can package our two lottery picks this year for Minnesota's pick they got from Memphis (around #20) this year and their first for next year (giving us 3 probable lotto picks next year). Or something similar, a better deal for us but therefore less likely would be to package our 2 together and get the Cavs pick they got from the Clippers (around #8 depending on the lottery) and get their first next year as well.
Gyp Rosetti
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Now this I would do...especially since Minny has no hope of not being one of the worst five or six teams in the league next year.
Gyp Rosetti
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Where's Bimbo projected to go? www.nbadraft.net has him going 25th for God's sake....Jesus, if we got lucky and got Irving or Williams with one pick and got Bimbo with the other, I may implode with excitement.
Draftexpress has him at 6. Draftexpress usually has a much better handle on the foreign players, though they tend to overrate them a little.
jazzrule
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On the downside, Biyombo is a very poor passer. He registered an assist on just 4% of his possessions, ranking him amongst the worst in this category in the ACB.
His desire to make his presence felt, while an admirable trait, tends to work against him in this regard, especially when looking at his turnover rate, which is fairly high relative to his usage.
This is where his lack of experience shows the most. It's not rare to see him barrel into opponents, get called for traveling violations or have the ball stripped due to his somewhat weak hands. Additionally, he doesn't show anything resembling a jump shot at the moment and converts just 53% of his free throw attempts. While his touch is not bad, his shooting mechanics are a bit rigid, something he'll need to work on to become at least a capable threat from the mid-range area.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm No - I don't think I want him at 6, maybe at 12.His desire to make his presence felt, while an admirable trait, tends to work against him in this regard, especially when looking at his turnover rate, which is fairly high relative to his usage.
This is where his lack of experience shows the most. It's not rare to see him barrel into opponents, get called for traveling violations or have the ball stripped due to his somewhat weak hands. Additionally, he doesn't show anything resembling a jump shot at the moment and converts just 53% of his free throw attempts. While his touch is not bad, his shooting mechanics are a bit rigid, something he'll need to work on to become at least a capable threat from the mid-range area.
I think some of their thinking on the subject as to why they have him going so late is they believe he is 20+. Some think he is as old as 25. Otherwise no way he is not selected in the lottery. I have not heard of any buyout issues on any of the sites so he should be able to come right over.
Fishsticks
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I believe minny did some stupid trade years ago for marco jaric giving next years unprotected to LAC. Clipps may be finally rising up.
Favors Flave
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If the Jazz got the 3rd pick and D-will2 and Irving are off the board, would you trade the pick?
billyshelby
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Third pick could be pretty big in prying a good player from another team. Can't see trading down unless they pick up an early second plus a high first.
green
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My question to you guys. The Jazz get the #1 pick. You don't want Williams because he is too small and you are too smart to take a player that will start at PF at six seven. I don't think there ever be another Barkley, and as a GM you don't want to find him. Do you take Kyrie Irving? The reason I ask this, is because when you draft a #1 pick, you are drafting a max player in a couple of years. Do you really want to go back to having the best player on your team be a pg? Do you want to invest over 100 million dollars in a pg? Or do you do everything you can to trade this pick.
While I read some arguments for pg's a few pages back, I still don't know if you draft one with the number one pick, unless you are sure he is Isaiah Thomas or Derrick Rose. Is Irving either of these? If he is as good as Deron, Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Nash, etc I don't know if I take him with the number one pick. Even Rose hasn't won a title yet, and you could argue that Chicago's defense is just as valuable as Rose is.
Thoughts? Am I up in the night, or is this the absolute worst draft to win the lottery in?
While I read some arguments for pg's a few pages back, I still don't know if you draft one with the number one pick, unless you are sure he is Isaiah Thomas or Derrick Rose. Is Irving either of these? If he is as good as Deron, Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Nash, etc I don't know if I take him with the number one pick. Even Rose hasn't won a title yet, and you could argue that Chicago's defense is just as valuable as Rose is.
Thoughts? Am I up in the night, or is this the absolute worst draft to win the lottery in?