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Kentucky has a bunch of players that could play for the Warriors or Hawks.

A bunch of tweeners and chuckers who are great athletes who don't have refined games
 
Another opinion piece on Barnes

This is from a paper in Iowa.

https://www.amestrib.com/articles/2...e/sports/hid21513sect_4196baa3cbc549aa84f.txt

La Gesse: Barnes should turn pro now

By Bobby La Gesse
Sports Editor
Published: Sunday, April 3, 2011 12:11 AM CDT
Harrison Barnes only needs to make one phone call when it comes to his NBA future.

Dial Craig Brackins.

Brackins will tell Barnes after a standout sophomore season, when Brackins burst onto the national scene by scoring 20.2 points and grabbing 9.5 rebounds, he was projected to be a lottery pick in 2009.

He returned to school. Defenses focused on him more. It was tougher for him to get good looks. His draft status dropped, and he went No. 21 in last year’s draft.

And it cost him money.

There really shouldn’t be much debate about Barnes decision. He needs to turn pro.

Barnes, who averaged 15.7 points and 5.8 rebounds at North Carolina this season, is projected to be a top-five pick by most draft experts if he comes out. A top-five pick in last year’s draft was guaranteed at worst, nearly $6 million.

That is too much money to pass up. That’s the kind of money creates financial security. That kind of money makes living the rest of your life a lot easier.

Really, it’s a decision a teenager shouldn’t have to make.

In an ideal world Barnes’ NBA decision comes down to if he’s ready to play pro ball yet. (And he certainly could use at least one more year of seasoning at North Carolina).

But that’s now how the NBA draft operates. It’s more about potential than production. It’s also about maximizing your own value.

Turning pro is more of a financial decision today than anything else. If Barnes doesn’t turn pro he could be making a huge fiscal mistake.

And he needs someone to tell him this.

The basic rule of thumb is if a player is a guaranteed lottery pick he should turn pro.

Brackins didn’t and he lost money because of it. If he went, say No. 11 in 2009, he would have signed a two-year, $4.2 million contract. Instead he got a two-year, $2.7 million contract a year later.

He lost more than $1.5 million. And that doesn’t include any additional money Brackins would lose if team options are picked up in the third and fourth years of both deals.

Same thing happened to Joakim Noah. Noah was the consensus No. 1 pick if he came out in 2007. He went back to Florida and fell to No. 9 in the draft the next year.

Yes, it worked out for Noah, who recently signed a $60 million contract extension with Chicago. But Noah is the exception, not the rule.

The NBA is littered with Chase Budinger’s and Josh McRobert’s, guys who were projected lottery picks at one point, but by the time they came out went in the second round. Or guys like Tyler Hansbrough, who watched their stock slip by staying in college as long as they did.

A players NBA draft status is a lot like the early stages of a relationship. You decide to ask someone out because there are plenty of things you like about them. But as you spend more time with them you see their faults and it may turn you off on them.

The longer a player stays in college the more problems NBA personnel find with your game.

With Barnes, the love started this year. People noticed his intelligence, hustle, his ability to take, and make big shots.

But if he returns, Barnes’ athleticism, which isn’t NBA elite, or his defense, which needs to improve, will get more attention.

And his draft position could fall.

It’s hard for Barnes to move up any more in the draft. History says players are much more likely to fall down a draft board than hold their position.

If that happens, Barnes could lose a lot more money than Brackins did.

Yes, Barnes could take out an insurance policy and return to North Carolina and enjoy college for another.

But why should he when the risk is just too great.
 
I have not been a big fan of Terrence Jones simply because I think his true position in the NBA game is SF, yet his game is more suited for PF. He is years away from being a SF and I have my doubts he has the skills to ever become one. His dribble skills are average at best, his shooting mechanics are horrible and he doesn't seem to play hard all the time.

I guess if he is the BPA at 12 then you consider taking him as a project. However, I would actually try to trade the pick for a lower pick + another pick. I think there is some better value in the lower half of the draft and top of the second round. What I am saying is there isn't much of a difference between the 12th pick and the 20 something pick.

The one of the most impressive players in the tournament for me has been S. Mack out of Butler. I don't know if the kid is an NBA player but he seems to know how to play the game, can shoot and even runs the team well. The kid from VCU, Skeen seems like a better player than Terrence Jones does now. I guess the "potential" factor is used when evaluating Jones but right now both Mack and Skeen seem like better players. I guess I am just not that impressed with T. Jones. He could prove me wrong but I think the kid is 3 or 4 years away from being any good and he has the potential to be a bust if he doesn't improve his overall skills.

The questions about Mack are can he play the PG defensively? Will he be able to finish in the paint against NBA players?

He has played SG for 3 years now. Is he a slow PG or a small SG?
 
The more I look at the prospects for the Jazz' 1st lottery pick the more I keep going back to my original impression - whoever is left out of either Barnes or Kanter.

At 12 they can do whatever falls - Burks, Fredette, Nolan, Knight.
 
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Might be best for the Jazz to pass on point guards this year and just go with Devin. Next year Marshall will be coming out and he is a pure PG in the mold of Jason Kidd and Deron Williams. The Jazz will have around 8-12 which should be plenty high enough to get him.
 
Might be best for the Jazz to pass on point guards this year and just go with Devin. Next year Marshall will be coming out and he is a pure PG in the mold of Jason Kidd and Deron Williams. The Jazz will have around 8-12 which should be plenty high enough to get him.

I do like Marshall a lot. Hopefully he will be available in the late part of the lottery/ early non-lottery, which is where I think we will be next year. He is definitely seems to be one of the more "pure" PG's in college (didnt he set the assist record at UNC this year for something?) and he would be perfect if we manage to actually acquire scoring wings and our big men develop strongly.
 
I wouldn't mind getting Knight this year who can play both guard spots then get Marshall next. That allows us to then trad Harris for what ever we need at the time.

If KOC plays his cards right things could be looking up.

My thoughts.... Draft Kanter & knight let them play Kanter behind Jefferson and learn, then if he develops trade both Jefferson, and Harris for players that can put us over the top to contend.
 
I wouldn't mind getting Knight this year who can play both guard spots then get Marshall next. That allows us to then trad Harris for what ever we need at the time.

My thoughts.... Draft Kanter & knight let them play Kanter behind Jefferson and learn, then if he develops trade both Jefferson, and Harris for players that can put us over the top to contend.

It appears there are plenty of decent PGs so yeah, the Jazz can wait until next year and grab Marshall. I like Kanter with the first lottery pick but I'm not for grabbing Knight with the second. Maybe spend the pick on Burks. I still haven't seen Burks play but he's shooting up draft boards. I have Colorado vs. Alabama DVRed so I can take a look at him. I'm also not opposed to the jazz using their second lottery pick on Fredette.
 
It appears there are plenty of decent PGs so yeah, the Jazz can wait until next year and grab Marshall. I like Kanter with the first lottery pick but I'm not for grabbing Knight with the second. Maybe spend the pick on Burks. I still haven't seen Burks play but he's shooting up draft boards. I have Colorado vs. Alabama DVRed so I can take a look at him. I'm also not opposed to the jazz using their second lottery pick on Fredette.

I could be wrong but can't Knight play sg. He's more of a combo guard then a pure point in the mold of Jason Terry, not to mention he is 6-4. If he and Burks are there for the Jazz at 12 you take the bpa. That would be Knight .
 
It appears there are plenty of decent PGs so yeah, the Jazz can wait until next year and grab Marshall. I like Kanter with the first lottery pick but I'm not for grabbing Knight with the second. Maybe spend the pick on Burks. I still haven't seen Burks play but he's shooting up draft boards. I have Colorado vs. Alabama DVRed so I can take a look at him. I'm also not opposed to the jazz using their second lottery pick on Fredette.

I'm down with that, Kanter for 1st & Fredette for 2nd..

.. with Tomic, we'll only be 1 player short of an all white starting line up (I'm down with that as well)
 
There are always some good PGs to be drafted. I'm not sure why we need to sweat that.

If you can't draft Knight this year we can always draft the next Dwill, CP3, or Westbrooke next year.

PG is possibly the easiest position to draft. Drafts always are overloaded with these guys.

Finding an elite big man is much more difficult...
 
There are always some good PGs to be drafted. I'm not sure why we need to sweat that.

If you can't draft Knight this year we can always draft the next Dwill, CP3, or Westbrooke next year.

PG is possibly the easiest position to draft. Drafts always are overloaded with these guys.

Finding an elite big man is much more difficult...


True;

Im eagerly awaiting david stockton, curious to see how he develops in college, and seeing the Gonzaga team play period. Would be kinda cool if he played for his dads team.
 
True;

Im eagerly awaiting david stockton, curious to see how he develops in college, and seeing the Gonzaga team play period. Would be kinda cool if he played for his dads team.

I only saw Gonzaga once. Against BYU. BYU decided to go man. They put Jimmer on Stockton. That told me all I needed to know.

Not a complete write off, but pretty dang close.
 
This via twitter

Benbags Ben Bagley
That sucks. I mean education 1st. RT @ScottyGKFAN: RT @slcdunk: RT @martytirrell Harrison Barnes to make it official Tues... Back to Heels.
 
This via twitter

Benbags Ben Bagley
That sucks. I mean education 1st. RT @ScottyGKFAN: RT @slcdunk: RT @martytirrell Harrison Barnes to make it official Tues... Back to Heels.

Nuts. I'll still hold onto hope until Tuesday. That gives him a couple more days to wise up.
 
No worries, we probably have just as good as chance of getting Barnes next year. There will be a ton of talent and Barnes could be pushed down, we will probably have two top 10 picks, Golden State's and are own. Unless the Jazz youngen's get real good real quick.
 
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