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2013 Chicago Combine May 15-19

PKM said:
Too lazy to go back and read them all.. but they're in the multiples of 10.
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Please. You can't even find one. The only recent one that I was wrong on was Austin Rivers (I was homering dammit).

I was the first one to guarantee that Lillard would not be only a good player in the NBA, but a stud. Almost everybody else was disagreeing with me at the beginning, but eventually they realized the scouts were saying the same thing I was. Same thing happened with McCollum this year. While he was projected in the 20's or something, I was touting him to be a big time player. Nobody listened. They listening now fool.
 
FWIW, PKM is right about Larkin. While his athletic numbers are great, you can't really compare him to Nate Robinson. Even though they both have about the same vertical, you can tell that Robinson is much more explosive. Now what I mean by that is that Robinson gets up quicker. It's like having two guys that both run a 10.7 in the 100 meter, but the first guy runs a 4.3 40 and the second guy runs a 4.5 40. Now Larkin isn't bad by any means, but these Nate Robinson comparisons aren't exactly legit IMO.

Larkin rarely every dunks (even though he can, kinda, has small hands), and doesn't finish nearly as well as Robinson does. He struggles running an offense, and his size is a limiting factor. I like him, but I like him as a backup.
 
Oh, and Mason Plumlee will be what people wanted Miles Plumlee to be. Good rebounder, tough defense, and dunks off of lob passes and offensive rebounds. People were hyping Miles Plumlee up way too much last year. He wasn't/isn't that good.
 
Hantlers said:
Please. You can't even find one. The only recent one that I was wrong on was Austin Rivers (I was homering dammit).

I was the first one to guarantee that Lillard would not be only a good player in the NBA, but a stud. Almost everybody else was disagreeing with me at the beginning, but eventually they realized the scouts were saying the same thing I was. Same thing happened with McCollum this year. While he was projected in the 20's or something, I was touting him to be a big time player. Nobody listened. They listening now fool.
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No, I was referring to your jabs about anything UK. Was just playing.

And I can't say anything about Rivers because I pimped him harder than you did, I think... and I still believe.

You had Lillard in higher regard than I did. I admit that.

We have both been buying McCollum for a long time now.
 
Hantlers said:
Oh, and Mason Plumlee will be what people wanted Miles Plumlee to be. Good rebounder, tough defense, and dunks off of lob passes and offensive rebounds. People were hyping Miles Plumlee up way too much last year. He wasn't/isn't that good.
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we agree here as well..
 
PKM said:
No, I was referring to your jabs about anything UK. Was just playing.

And I can't say anything about Rivers because I pimped him harder than you did, I think... and I still believe.

You had Lillard in higher regard than I did. I admit that.

We have both been buying McCollum for a long time now.
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You know I just give UK crap because of you.

And because Kentucky has to have some of the dumbest fans I've ever seen. You're not one of them, but dammit man...y'all got a stupid fanbase.
 
While we're on the subject, can someone explain the McCollum love. I'm being serious. To me he looks like a 6' 3", 22 yr. old shooting guard who can play some point. If you look at his first 3 years, he is an average shooter with a 43% FGA and 36% 3PA against the likes of Monmouth, Stony Brook, Army, Navy, and Lafayette. In games against better competition, he shot .33 against Kansas, .35 against St. John's, .33 against Michigan St., .38 against Duke, and .23 against Xavier. He averaged 2.7 APG and 2.4 TO's. He seems to be an above average, but not elite athlete, has a shoot first mentality, and is just an average defender. Even if you factor in the 12 games from last year his numbers only improve slightly. Maybe someone who's seen him more than I have can help me understand why some people are salivating.
 
NAOS said:
I'm liking Larkin more and more, but I still have him behind the perimeter-defending-rain-making prospects like Franklin and Bullock.
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.... speaking of saying **** and nobody listening... I just read three pages where you all were agreeing with this in one way or another.

;)
 
GVC said:
I think length is least important at the 1. Motor, physicality, foot speed, smart rotations, explosiveness are far more important defensively, as I see it (I have little/no data to support this). Larkin is better than pretty much every other point guard in this draft by those measures. Is length the only knock against the guy, or is there some other reason people don't like him? I haven't seen him play that much, admittedly, but have the detractors?

Qman mentioned turnovers and Miami's talent (a team ranked 4th in the ACC in the preseason by ACC coaches...), which is a start, I guess. Again, does anyone who's actually seen him play have reasons not to like him other than length?
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Agreed, but when you are giving up 6' on average of vertical reach to most every opponent you face, you are going to have problems.

It's why you see so very few starting PG's of his size. The only players that succeed in his physical size are the ones that take the role of scorers. Is Larkin that good of a scorer?
 
And also with Nate, you see his explosiveness in his game. He is dunking a lot and he is even occasionally blocking shots at the rim. How often do you see the explosion in Larkin's game put to use?
 
My2Cents said:
While we're on the subject, can someone explain the McCollum love.
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I wouldn't be able to explain it. All the McCollum lovers are crazy, loco, cuckoo, nuts, insane, ape****, bonkers.

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Hantlers said:
You know I just give UK crap because of you.

And because Kentucky has to have some of the dumbest fans I've ever seen. You're not one of them, but dammit man...y'all got a stupid fanbase.
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All fanbases have their idiots. UK fans are very knowledgeable about the game, but I have to admit I HATE it when Cal comes on a local radio show and takes callers... I cringe. It's like only the most backwards marble-mouth talking hicks get through.. and ask the dumbest questions imaginable...

Caller - So coach? (awkward silence)
Cal - Yes, go ahead.....
Caller - Uhh, yeah... so, anyways, I was just thinkin bout basketball and all and the upcoming season and what have you.. and I was just wonderin if your thinkin we're gonna have a good team. I'll go ahead and hang up and listen. Go CAYUTS!
Cal - Yes, I think we'll be good. Next called *sigh*
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Agreed, but when you are giving up 6' on average of vertical reach to most every opponent you face, you are going to have problems.

It's why you see so very few starting PG's of his size. The only players that succeed in his physical size are the ones that take the role of scorers. Is Larkin that good of a scorer?
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That's a helluva difference there, mathomatico.
 
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