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LazyD said:
The BIG has some pretty garb schedules, I'll admit. Mostly because Ohio St. and Nebraska play **** non conference games and they can't play everyone in the conference each season.
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Thank you, this is all i wanted to hear.
I was told that if byu landed in a power 5 conference then thier schedule would be brutal and they could not make it to a bowl game (6-6 record). I believed that if there were some teams in power 5 conferences with schedules that would allow an average team (byu) to get to 6 wins. Ohio states schedule is the type of schedule that would allow byu to win 6 games and go to a bowl.

I mean, im sure there are crappy 6-6 teams from power 5 conferences each year that get to go to a bowl, right? I dont see why byu could'nt be one of those crappy teams
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read. So many posters on that site claiming that BYU is still head and shoulders above Utah as the better program. Do the BYU fans on this site feel that way? When going back the last 20 years, looking at head to head wins and who's put up bigger seasons with bigger wins on a national scale, how can anybody claim that BYU is head and shoulders above Utah? I have no problem conceding that BYU's fan base has a larger, more rabid footprint due to the LDS members around the globe, and yes BYU has the only NC between the two but to put it as simple as possible: BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.

Another thing that struck me: After 2 wins against UCONN and Texas, so many fans talking Heisman possibilities for Taysom, New Years Day bowl game, and some even thinking BYU had a shot at the playoffs. It quickly reminded me that any time BYU is good, so many of their fans immediately go to a "10" on the expectation level. On the flip side, Utah is also 2-0 and most Utah fans still seem to be of the thinking that getting to 6 wins and a bowl game is going to be a tall order. It only fueled my biggest critique of BYU fans which is that a majority of them are clueless honks that really think the college football world revolves around them once they manage to field a decent team.

Props to the BYU fans on this board who seem to be able to temper expectations while still rooting on their team . Yes, there are a few of you here.
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Yep, leave it to a Ute to lecture on exuberance:

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You can get this shirt half off at the Ute Store right now:

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fishonjazz said:
Thank you, this is all i wanted to hear.
I was told that if byu landed in a power 5 conference then thier schedule would be brutal and they could not make it to a bowl game (6-6 record). I believed that if there were some teams in power 5 conferences with schedules that would allow an average team (byu) to get to 6 wins. Ohio states schedule is the type of schedule that would allow byu to win 6 games and go to a bowl.

I mean, im sure there are crappy 6-6 teams from power 5 conferences each year that get to go to a bowl, right? I dont see why byu could'nt be one of those crappy teams
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Oh, I for sure think BYU could become bowl eligible in most conferences. Just do some crappy non con games and win the few you can in conference play.

I thought you'd be expecting a nine win season or something.
 
LazyD said:
Oh, I for sure think BYU could become bowl eligible in most conferences. Just do some crappy non con games and win the few you can in conference play.

I thought you'd be expecting a nine win season or something.
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In regards to the "overhyped" P5 schedules: I have a hunch that BYU will be in the Big 12 eventually. If that is the case, they'll have a chance to prove whether it's overhyped or not. It's pretty hard playing 9 conference games in the PAC. You can schedule 3 patsies if you like, but the majority of your 9 conference games are going to be tough sledding. I don't think it's something BYU fans are going to understand until they live it. But don't be offended, Utah and TCU fans had to go through the same learning curve.
 
jazzman12 said:
In regards to the "overhyped" P5 schedules: I have a hunch that BYU will be in the Big 12 eventually. If that is the case, they'll have a chance to prove whether it's overhyped or not. It's pretty hard playing 9 conference games in the PAC. You can schedule 3 patsies if you like, but the majority of your 9 conference games are going to be tough sledding. I don't think it's something BYU fans are going to understand until they live it. But don't be offended, Utah and TCU fans had to go through the same learning curve.
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The PAC historically has been a weak football conference. Hell, when Utah first joined they could have won their division even though their record was pathetic. Didn't UCLA win it despite having a losing record because Utah wet the bed against the mighty Buffaloes?

In fact, last year seems to look like more of an outlier as Washington, Wash St, and Colorado appear to be Div III schools. Apparently their coaches forgot that there was a season this year.

Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Oreg St, meh. Avg at best. Mostly look bad.

Utah, Arizona St, USC, Oregon, and Stanford have looked good doe. Utah has looked extremely explosive. This has got to be the year for them to break out. If they can't best UCLA or Arizona St this year then they never will.
 
Triangle Man said:
Why neg this as "horrible" green?

You are saying Wilson was better last year and even though he's played terrible teams this year he has a better rating so he's clearly better which is a very weak argument. You don't like my HS comparison to your argument? Do you give up and that's why you neg me, take your ball and leave?
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Because your sarcasm was awful. Bad. "Taysom"? That alone deserved a neg. High School stats? Come on. Address the stats I posted.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
https://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/95207/hill-byu-have-chance-at-perfect-mark
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Here's the most telling stat, and because your schedule is so weak, Hill will be able to get away with it. From your article:

"ll’s increased accuracy can be attributed to shorter passes. This season, Hill’s passes have traveled an average of 6.7 yards downfield, 3.5 yards per attempt shorter than last season. He has thrown six passes that traveled more than 15 yards downfield this season. He averaged 7.2 such passes per game in 2012."

Color me not impressed. This just further enforces that he isn't a "QB" but an option RB who can throw. The good news is for BYU fan, is BYU probably doesn't play a team good enough to force him to throw downfield.
 
fishonjazz said:
Thank you, this is all i wanted to hear.
I was told that if byu landed in a power 5 conference then thier schedule would be brutal and they could not make it to a bowl game (6-6 record). I believed that if there were some teams in power 5 conferences with schedules that would allow an average team (byu) to get to 6 wins. Ohio states schedule is the type of schedule that would allow byu to win 6 games and go to a bowl.

I mean, im sure there are crappy 6-6 teams from power 5 conferences each year that get to go to a bowl, right? I dont see why byu could'nt be one of those crappy teams
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Here the problem with your theory:

You aren't Ohio State. You'd have to play Ohio State. That makes the schedule much tougher. You have to compare schedules of a lower level team.
 
Here is what I think about the different levels in mid major vs P5 schedule. If you put Utah and BYU in the MWC last year, that 5-7 Utah team loses 1 game at most. It's not comparable and that's why a non P5 team won't make the playoff.
 
I think everyone is pretty much in agreement about BYU and their Bowl situation in a P5 conference.

Here is another question:

What happens with BYU's recruiting if they go into a P5 conference?

I think they struggle due to the honor code. I do think they would get more LDS athletes, BUT I don't think that number is as high as some BYU fans exclaim. I think it is probably 1-2 kids a year. I don't think someone that has BYU in their final three and picked USC last year would suddenly pick BYU if they were in the Big 12. BYU is different and that is great for BYU. I think the kid who picked USC last year would pick USC next year because his priorities are different.

An example that fits pretty well: Masina is a LB in Utah right now. His brothers have all played at Utah and some are currently on the team. He is constantly at Utah watching practices, workouts, etc. BUT, Utah isn't in his top three. I think his top three are Michigan, UCLA and USC. He has goals and playing for a middle of the road P5 team isn't one of them (unfortunately). I think the same would apply for a kid who like BYU, loves the Church, and likes what BYU stands for, but wants to play in the NFL someday for a storied program. That LDS kid picks USC more often then BYU now, and probably does so in the future.

What say ye, BYU fans? Am I crazy...on this?
 
LazyD said:
BYU would be bowl eligible in the Big12 this year, and that's about it. The Big12 schedule is grueling. ISU and KU suck balls and then all the other teams can beat one another at any given time.

Plus, BYU would be playing conference road games at legit venues. Those are difficult.
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Like Texas?
 
LazyD said:
Like Texas × 7. That's the point.
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So there would be 8 conference road games?



I joke. I know what you're saying. I'm under no pretense that BYU would dominate or compete for a conference championship. I stated here before that I envision BYU like K State in the Big 12 (after a couple years, those first few would be rough). Middle of the pack most years, but rising towards the top when we have special teams.
 
bigb said:
So there would be 8 conference road games?



I joke. I know what you're saying. I'm under no pretense that BYU would dominate or compete for a conference championship. I stated here before that I envision BYU like K State in the Big 12 (after a couple years, those first few would be rough). Middle of the pack most years, but rising towards the top when we have special teams.
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That's about how I see it too.
 
Was BYU or Texas the favorite to win that past game? And if so, by how much?

Must say I was really impressed with how they dominated UT (on the road), but then again UT has been severely overrated every year and has just been an awful program as of late.
 
Cy said:
Was BYU or Texas the favorite to win that past game? And if so, by how much?

Must say I was really impressed with how they dominated UT (on the road), but then again UT has been severely overrated every year and has just been an awful program as of late.
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Opened at 4.5, closed at 1, whatever that means.
 
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