bama destroyed ucla last week
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bama destroyed ucla last week
Bawse Dawg
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Thanks for this. I was hoping Oregon would win.
gregbroncs
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Yes they did. They lost to a 1 loss top 10 team. Baylor lost to a pathetic team. I don't care about head to head so much. TCU lost by a close margin to a far superior team than Baylor did.
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Pac-12, naturally, dominates the bowl season.
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trigg3r
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Baylor lost to WVU on the road. The same team that TCU beat by one on the road... If TCU loses to Baylor(like they did), they really have no argument over the team that beat them IMO. What it comes down to is the need for expansion and a conference championship. You might not believe the head to head made a difference, but it obviously did as they jumped TCU in the playoff rankings. Let's also take into account the final game prior to each teams bowl games. Baylor beat #9 K State. TCU played and beat Iowa State..... A team that went 2-10 on the season. TCU cost itself any chance at going to the playoff when they lost to Baylor and didn't have a conference championship to make up the difference.
I have no problem saying TCU is the better team. Their only loss was on the road to a top 10 team in a game they dominated most of the way and lost mostly because of this: https://deadspin.com/baylor-beats-tcu-with-a-little-help-from-the-officials-1645328506
Do you think WVU is better than Baylor? Are the Jazz superior to the Spurs? Is VA Tech better than OSU? I don't see any problem with anyone thinking TCU was the better team, and I would agree. Head to head can be important in a lot of cases, but you're reducing the evaluation of two teams to only one game.
The whole ranking thing during the season was pretty dumb imo. Just come out with it at the end. They were never going to put a one loss TCU team in ahead of an undefeated FSU team, so ranking TCU ahead of FSU in the penultimate rankings was retarded
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trigg3r
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I understand what you are saying, I just can't agree with it. TCU had every opportunity to win that Baylor game. TCU was jumped in the rankings at the end because Baylor won a better game against K State than the TCU victory over Iowa State. Add the TCU loss to Baylor and you have you rreasons why it would be unfair to put TCU ahead of Baylor and also Ohio State after their beat down of Wisconsin. Anyway, TCU or Baylor had to go undefeated to go to the playoff without a conference championship.
gregbroncs
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Using your own argument Baylor had every opportunity to win that WV game. To me how good the team you lose to is more important than head to head. That said I agree that Ohio State showed that they deserved the bid. I just think that TCU deserved it more than them and that this season shows why an 8 team playoff is needed. I've said all along I thought it should be 8 teams and I stand by that.
trigg3r
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It's not like TCU dominated WVU. They won by a single point. I don't see a legitimate argument where TCU gets in over Baylor especially when you consider their final opponents before their bowl games. The BIG 12 has nobody but themselves to blame for not getting into the playoff. It comes at the expense of one of their members, but maybe this will force them to expand and not be so greedy(unlikely, I know).
They both played every team in the conference, and TCU had a more difficult non-conference schedule. Does it make a difference in which they play the conference foes? They played the exact same teams. TCU had a better loss, but most importantly, I watched every TCU game except their opener and the SMU game, and I watched every Baylor conference game. I was convinced that TCU was the better team at the end of season, even after watching them lose to Baylor. That's a good enough reason for me. I think that's a pretty legitimate argument considering that's how the committee is expected to decide on the 4 best teams.
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Idk but I'm excited to see it.
You should make a clay return highlight vid too.
Is clay going pro? Is booker? (I assume orchard is) what about the punter and kicker?
Clay is gone, he was a senior. I actually think he could play in the NFL, very versatile player and not a bad receiver all things considered. I remember Reggie Dunn getting a look a couple of years ago and Clay is CERTAINLY better than that.
Booker seems to be wavering a bit, I could see it either way. You could make the argument for going pro now, but if he has a better season he may end up with more guaranteed $$$ on his first contract for being a higher pick.
Phillips will be back 100% and I assume Hackett will be as well.
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Thanks for the info.
Random info about me (a byu fan)....... my favorite ute was brent casteel. (Underachieved though imo)
trigg3r
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I respect your opinion but disagree with it as do the final rankings prior to the bowl games. The head to head mattered a lot. I don't disagree that TCU might be the better team. That being said, a 14 point loss to WVU compared to a 1 point win against them is not enough to overcome the head to head loss. TCU had no business being in the playoff over Baylor at the time and TCU and their 4th quarter disaster have only themselves to blame. Throw the curb stomping in the bowl game out the window. I think it's clouding your judgement here.
gregbroncs
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I couldn't disagree more. Losing by 14 to an inferior opponent should have superseded the head to head loss IMO. Especially because of the way the head to head game went down. This has nothing to do with the bowl win as I had said it before that.
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No, it's definitely not.
It does kinda support the opinion I had about the two teams at the end of the regular season doe. But I don't use that as support, it's all after the fact - and Baylor played a much tougher opponent anyway imo.
Oh well, we disagree. Never had to worry about the committee selecting one of them anyway - neither TCU or Baylor bring enough $$.
The way you're figuring this is kinda weird to me. We don't think similarly at all. It seems you are using the West Virginia game as a sort of measuring stick and concluding that TCU didn't win by enough to be considered better than Baylor. I just watched a bunch of football and decided who was better. I'm not the greatest football analyst in the world, but I definitely trust my method over whatever it is you are trying to do. Baylor was the better team when they played each other in Waco. After the regular season was over I hypothesized that TCU would beat Baylor at least 6 times out of 10 on a neutral field. Even though they lost the shootout in Waco, I was certain that they were the better team.
trigg3r
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It would be a better argument had TCU curb stomped WVU. They won by 1. WVU is a tough team to play at home. My point is the head to head is essential and even more essential when you are talking about a conference with no title game. Baylor was able to win that game and it made all the difference in terms of the rankings.
Like I said, expand and hold a conference championship game and this will cease to be an issue. Neither team deserved to go after the performances from Ohio State late in the season.
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