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2014 Draft Prospects - Not so great any more?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Embiid stays another year. He may be looked at as the #1 guy but he still has a raw game. Another year to develop it over players he can own would really help him out.
 
Crawlnstall said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Embiid stays another year. He may be looked at as the #1 guy but he still has a raw game. Another year to develop it over players he can own would really help him out.
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Help him out by being a higher pick than #1?

if he goes number 1 this year, in this highly touted draft, then i think that is a good indicator that his game is not too raw
 
I think Embiid is pretty unraw as far as tall and long posts with crazy athletic ability goes. Favors went third in a draft and he's still more raw than Embiid.
 
akirac73 said:
Actually, players can take insurance out on themselves to protect them against injury.
https://www.cbssports.com/collegefo...obtained-5-million-insurance-policy-with-ncaa

However, if it were my son, I'd tell him to leave early and take the money. They can always go back to school to get their degree...that will always be there. But their youth, health and talent will only be around for a limited time.
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Agree. Besides the policy maxes at $5 mill is the max allowed, and costs $30k.
Per this article you can get a loan to cover the cost of the policy.

https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/are_you_in_good_hands.html

Even with insurance, it doesn't make sense to pass up a min $8 mill and take out an insurance policy that would pay out $5 mill for the chance to get $10 mill a year later. Hopefully the policy covers minor injuries in case its not a season ending, but affects draft stock. Hopefully somebody else doesn't drop my draft stock, or I have a bad year, or my team does, etc.

Regarding private insurance and what is covered. IMO it removes the greatest risk, but leave a lot of vulnerability.
The premiums through a private agency can run higher -- about $10,000 a year per $1 million of coverage for football players, according to Lerner. Athletes can take out loans to purchase coverage from private insurers without threatening their college eligibility as long as they are not given special treatment by the bank, Sheely said.

The cost of premiums -- and the fact that the insurance only pays out in cases of career-ending injuries -- has scared off some players, including Auburn offensive tackle Lee Ziemba.

"The premiums are extremely high," Ziemba said. "The thing I saw about it is it only covers you for an injury where you can't play the game anymore -- not where you tear your ACL and you're not the same player you were before. You can't be able to play, ever. So I put my trust in the Lord and whatever He sees fit. If something bad happens, He's going to take care of me."

The NCAA and private insurers include a waiting period of six months to a year for rehabilitation efforts before claimants are eligible for a payout. Sheely said the NCAA has had "a handful" of payouts over the years, while Lerner has had just two -- a hockey player and former Florida defensive lineman Ed Chester, who collected on a $1 million policy in 1998 after multiple surgeries couldn't repair a severe knee injury well enough for him to play again.

"If a player can make his living playing professional sports, he's going to make more than he can collect on this policy," Lerner said. "We set it up that way so they still have the incentive to play."

After hearing stories such as Chester's, many athletes consider insurance a no-brainer these days. Lerner estimated that practically every player taken in the first five rounds of the NFL draft and both rounds of the NBA draft this year was insured.
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At the end of the day, why would I pay $30-100k for a chance to compete for a NCAA ring or polish my game for a possible 20% raise next year, especially before I am actually a millionaire?
 
Crawlnstall said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Embiid stays another year. He may be looked at as the #1 guy but he still has a raw game. Another year to develop it over players he can own would really help him out.
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Embiid is saying all the right things; but I'm going to guess being from Africa he doesn't come from money - He's not going to turn down millions so he can spend another year in college learning how to box out.
 
fishonjazz said:
I know its the nfl but matt leinart lost lots of money by staying in school.
Dala mentioned a couple of good ones. (sullinger, perry jones)
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Matt Barkley is another one.

Marcus Smart would have been a top pick last year, he still will be top 10 thought this year.
 
LazyD said:
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Duke will probably be the best college basketball team of all-time next year if he stays.
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lmao this
 
JimLes said:
I never understood this idea of leaving school early because of the potential for injury and missing out on a big paycheque. I mean, I understand the concept, but how likely is it? Has there been a player the last couple of decades who was a consensus lottery pick but decided to stay in school, then got hurt and never got drafted?
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Loren Woods fell from a near guaranteed top 5 slot to 45th overall.
 
Still a strong draftclass with franchise material. Dont worry about Jabari he is only tanking for the Jazz because he realized the Jazz wont do it. ;)
 
Thanks to everyone who proved me wrong. I guess I should watch more college ball. Didn't John Wallace who played for the Knicks and the Raptors do something like that 15 years ago? He was supposed to be a lottery pick but stayed for his senior year at Syracuse and lowered his draft stock.
 
JimLes said:
I never understood this idea of leaving school early because of the potential for injury and missing out on a big paycheque. I mean, I understand the concept, but how likely is it? Has there been a player the last couple of decades who was a consensus lottery pick but decided to stay in school, then got hurt and never got drafted?
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I wonder what Mitch McGary is doing these days. He could have gone late lottery last year, and just opted season-ending for back surgery this season.
 
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Staying in (or going to) college is good for guys like JR Smith or CJ Miles. Not so much Jabari. If you're mentally or fundamentally flawed, college can likely provide a better environment for growth than the NBA, but I just have a hard time seeing what Jabari would have to gain in comparison to the NBA. Could more college be beneficial and help him? Sure, but so could an LDS mission, which would honestly make a lot more sense than another year in college, to be honest.
 
Also is it fair to say Parker and Wiggins will be better pro players than college players? I think this is a fair assumption. The college game sucks and the spacing is so much better in the NBA.
 
Coaching is better too because you can only learn so much from one year of coaching in college. Those guys are there to get to the tournament and advance as far as possible. A lot don't care how you develop your game unless it helps them win. IMO, NBA teams are much more invested in the growth and development of their players. (At least in most cases.)
 
seattlejazzfan said:
:applause:

The mere mention Loren Woods deserves one of the rep things they do these days on jazzfanz, nevermind the accurate answer to the question posed above.
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too skinny too narrow. never bought into his hype. didn't like him the day he transferred to zona. but i did buy haywood hype a little.
 
Beantown said:
Also is it fair to say Parker and Wiggins will be better pro players than college players? I think this is a fair assumption. The college game sucks and the spacing is so much better in the NBA.
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not every players get better in nba. but yeah, nba is more free flowing game where you don't have waste all your energy on defense for 35 sec.
 
JimLes said:
Thanks to everyone who proved me wrong. I guess I should watch more college ball. Didn't John Wallace who played for the Knicks and the Raptors do something like that 15 years ago? He was supposed to be a lottery pick but stayed for his senior year at Syracuse and lowered his draft stock.
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Yes, IIRC, Wallace was another whose stock took a hit by staying.
 
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