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spycam1 said:
People are saying that a shove like that from out of bounds should result in a technical, which would have allowed the Spurs to tie it up AND given them the ball. We'll see what the NBA says the official call should have been though.

And let's not act like them stealing the ball on that chaotic frenzy is the same thing as getting to run a set play.

The point is that an obvious shove occurred right in front of the ref and he did nothing; Manu's toe crossing the line for a second doesn't negate that. It was as obvious a call you could ask for that determined the outcome of a playoff game.

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If it had happened to the jazz, then everyone of these fools would be leading their own separate revolt. They'd be threatening officials' families.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree. Often teams don't call a timeout because they don't want the defense to get set. iirc mills got a wide open three on that last play. (I could be wrong about that but I think he did)
Also, couldn't they have called a timeout and run a set play?

Is there a rule about giving the inbounder a certain amount of space to inbound the ball? (I have no idea)



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I don't remember. But you're obviously not allowed to cross the line. Missing a toe crossing a line is just nothing compared to missing a guy shoving someone else right in front of you.

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spycam1 said:
The point is that an obvious shove occurred right in front of the ref and he did nothing; Manu's toe crossing the line for a second doesn't negate that.
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Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before being elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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NAOS said:
If it had happened to the jazz, then everyone of these fools would be leading their own separate revolt. They'd be threatening officials' families.
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You are correct. It didn't happen to the jazz though so some of us fools can be objective about it.

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fishonjazz said:
Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before he elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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You're missing the point. Not seeing a toe cross a line is very excusable. Not calling a shove that occurs two feet in front of you is not. One can easily be seen as human error while the other cannot.

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spycam1 said:
You're missing the point. Not seeing a toe cross a line is very excusable. Not calling a shove that occurs two feet in front of you is not. One can easily be seen as human error while the other cannot.

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I see that point. I'm saying that it sounds like both teams got away with something and then the spurs still got the ball and got a great look.

Bigger travesties happen in the nba all the time imo.

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fishonjazz said:
Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before being elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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We don't know that the shove wouldn't have occurred if they had blown the whistle and begun again.

If someone's toe crossing the line allows the offensive player to elbow the defender in the chest, then my open gym just got a lot more interesting.

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fishonjazz said:
I see that point. I'm saying that it sounds like both teams got away with something and then the spurs still got the ball and got a great look.

Bigger travesties happen in the nba all the time imo.

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These incorrect calls are not even in the same stratosphere.

And like I said, had the correct call been made, it would have resulted in more than just the Spurs getting the ball: they would have shot a FT. So the fact that they still managed to steal the ball is irrelevant.

I don't know how you can watch that replay and not think that the ref completely ****ed up. Charles, Kenny, Shaq, and Webber were all completely baffled during the live feed. They all said they have never seen anything like this.

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spycam1 said:
We don't know that the shove wouldn't have occurred if they had blown the whistle and begun again.
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Well what is the penalty for a him crossing the line? Simply start over or a free throw for the thunder and the ball? I have no idea.

I think if you are inbounding the ball and the defender is standing out of bounds and not giving you the required room to pass the ball inbounds then you should be able to push then away from you.

I watched the play and it didn't make me think it was the worst no call ever. I think the ref should have made ginobli move back a bit and not even be in range for an elbow.
I have seen refs make players move back away from the inbounder many times in the past. They should have in this scenario too imo.

We just see this play differently I guess.

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spycam1 said:
These incorrect calls are not even in the same stratosphere.

And like I said, had the correct call been made, it would have resulted in more than just the Spurs getting the ball: they would have shot a FT. So the fact that they still managed to steal the ball is irrelevant.

I don't know how you can watch that replay and not think that the ref completely ****ed up. Charles, Kenny, Shaq, and Webber were all completely baffled during the live feed. They all said they have never seen anything like this.

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I think ginobli was too close to the inbounder and the ref should have moved him back a bit.

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fishonjazz said:
I think ginobli was too close to the inbounder and the ref should have moved him back a bit.

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My guess is that the play was clean other than the second where his toe crosses the line. That does not give Waiters the right to commit a flagrant foul on him.

There were two incorrect no calls: one was extremely minor and excusable by human error; the other was a major and blatantly obvious call not excusable by human error. These two things do not cancel each other out. They're not remotely comparable.

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NAOS said:
I don't think you're being objective right now.
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Ok. I watched the play on espn. Saw ginobli pressuring the ball closer than is normally allowed (the refs don't normally let you go out of bounds to defend) and then I saw ginobli get pushed away with an elbow and flop a little.
Refs blew the call all over the place then the spurs got a steal, an open look, and missed. Thunder got the ball and the buzzer sounded.

I recognize the elbow. I just don't pretend to not see what happened before the elbow and for that I apologize.

I also agree that one of the missed calls was worse than the other.

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spycam1 said:
My guess is that the play was clean other than the second where his toe crosses the line. That does not give Waiters the right to commit a flagrant foul on him.

There were two incorrect no calls: one was extremely minor and excusable by human error; the other was a major and blatantly obvious call not excusable by human error. These two things do not cancel each other out. They're not remotely comparable.

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I agree that the elbow was the worse of the two missed calls by a large margin.

I see refs miss two calls in a game with one being much more obvious than the other all the time.

Officiating in the nba sucks.

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fishonjazz said:
I agree that the elbow was the worse of the two missed calls by a large margin.

I see refs miss two calls in a game with one being much more obvious than the other all the time.

Officiating in the nba sucks.

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Yeah, but there's never been something quite like this.

When Harden made that game winning shot against GS after he pushed off, I thought it was bad, but it's not like I haven't seen that happen before. And I can understand the refs missing it; it's a fast paced game and maybe they were far away with a bad vantage point.

But this play was something I've never seen.

I can't recall a player ever shoving another player so he could inbound the ball. And there's no human error here. The ref was standing practically as close to the play as I am to my phone while typing this.

This, more than any other play in recent memory, is the sort of thing that makes people think the NBA is rigged.
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The way I saw that play: You either interrupt the play on the first violation you see before the ball goes live and talk to the captains(BEcause assessing technicals on the final possession is stupid)
Or if you see everybody take a physical approach you let it play out to the point where someone mixes up basketball with fighting sports.
 
I'm glad that they let them play. The refs whistle gets blown too much as it is. If Ginobli had taken one across the jaw it would be different. He decided to flail looking for a call rather than stand his ground.(it was a bump not a shove) The NBA will be much more exciting when guys like Favors get the calls for playing basketball instead of guys getting calls for playing the refs.
 
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