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ONE LOVE said:
Dieng should have said something, but there was something worse than that. The Nets were about to inbound the ball with Whitehead lying on the floor. The REF WHO STOOD LESS THAN 5 FEET AWAY FROM ALL THIS DID NOTHING. ALL HE DID WAS LOOKING AROUND AT THE NETS BENCH TO SEE IF THE COACH WOULD CALL A TIME OUT. THE NETS COACH FINALLY CALLED A 20 SECOND TIMEOUT AT WHICH TIME THEY ALL RUSHED TO SEE IF HE WAS OK.


Why was there no protocol for the Ref to step in at this point considering it's potentially a serious head/concussion injury. Surely this is WAYYYY more important than whether or not the Nets would burn a timeout to see if the player was OK.


The NBA cannot rely on players like Dieng to do the right thing, but they can set up a process in which the REF CAN STEP IN WHEN THEY SEE IT AND DO THE RIGHT THING.


I was actually quite angry about all this when I first saw it. SERIOUS INJURIES SHOULD NOT TAKE A SECOND SEAT TO THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME OR A SIMPLE TIMEOUT CALL.
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Btw fun fact: In Germany you can face a prison sentence when a court manages to prove that you've indeed witnessed someone in situation where he needed help and chose not to. Human ethics should be included in the rulebook, even if it results in a player abusing that rule once a year to gain his team half a point. That player will face the backlash from fans, media, other players and referees no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Reason I singled out Dieng was that when your 250 lb body lands on an uneven surface like the jaw of another player that you just pushed to the floor with your lowered shoulder(and should have been called a charge) then you notice that unless you have nerve damage in your feet as a result of chemotherapy or whatever. You're the one who knows best how severe the injury of your opponent that you just injured could be apart from that person himself.

I'm also surprised that CLinton didn't win Ohio. I would have predicted before the election that the support of James could have really swung that state. I really thought he'd have that kind of personality to influence people's political orientation.
 
BTP said:
Btw fun fact: In Germany you can face a prison sentence when a court manages to prove that you've indeed witnessed someone in situation where he needed help and chose not to. Human ethics should be included in the rulebook, even if it results in a player abusing that rule once a year to gain his team half a point. That player will face the backlash from fans, media, other players and referees no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Reason I singled out Dieng was that when your 250 lb body lands on an uneven surface like the jaw of another player that you just pushed to the floor with your lowered shoulder(and should have been called a charge) then you notice that unless you have nerve damage in your feet as a result of chemotherapy or whatever. You're the one who knows best how severe the injury of your opponent that you just injured could be apart from that person himself.

I'm also surprised that CLinton didn't win Ohio. I would have predicted before the election that the support of James could have really swung that state. I really thought he'd have that kind of personality to influence people's political orientation.
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Not surprised Clinton lost at all. Called it very early on. Nobody wants to admit supporting Trump but in that booth they made it clear.


Back to Dieng.. the NBA would do nothing to jeopardize the value of their products with the players are the main components, so unfortunately criminalizing the players is out of the question.


Because of that the Refs should be empowered by the NBA to step in imo. That would be very do too if they decide to look into it.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Not surprised Clinton lost at all. Called it very early on. Nobody wants to admit supporting Trump but in that booth they made it clear.


Back to Dieng.. the NBA would do nothing to jeopardize the value of their products with the players are the main components, so unfortunately criminalizing the players is out of the question.


Because of that the Refs should be empowered by the NBA to step in imo. That would be very do too if they decide to look into it.
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I thought as much as the candidates were polarizing and emphasized personality in the election and how little actual politics played a role, America's most popular and recognizable current athlete might have a big impact to support one side when you consider how popular athletics are in general over there.

I'm also not trying to criminalize Dieng. I just wanted to give anecdotal context how willingness to help is viewed in another country.
The referees should be able to determine within 3 seconds at most to interrupt the game. I totally agree with you that the rules should empower and encourage them to do that more decisively.
Still think it's a poor move/shows poor awareness from Dieng not to recognize the situation he caused, regardless whether he misinterpreted the situation, didn't pay enough attention to his action or just tried to gain an advantage in transition defense.

For all the flopping and theatre that happens in soccer, soccer players by now are mostly very social in that regard in Europe and are aware of another player's injury and react to it in a sportsmanlike manner in time almost all the time(And their playing field is like 10 times as large and the distance they have from the action as well.
 
BTP said:
I thought as much as the candidates were polarizing and emphasized personality in the election and how little actual politics played a role, America's most popular and recognizable current athlete might have a big impact to support one side when you consider how popular athletics are in general over there.

I'm also not trying to criminalize Dieng. I just wanted to give anecdotal context how willingness to help is viewed in another country.
The referees should be able to determine within 3 seconds at most to interrupt the game. I totally agree with you that the rules should empower and encourage them to do that more decisively.
Still think it's a poor move/shows poor awareness from Dieng not to recognize the situation he caused, regardless whether he misinterpreted the situation, didn't pay enough attention to his action or just tried to gain an advantage in transition defense.

For all the flopping and theatre that happens in soccer, soccer players by now are mostly very social in that regard in Europe and are aware of another player's injury and react to it in a sportsmanlike manner in time almost all the time(And their playing field is like 10 times as large and the distance they have from the action as well.
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Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4OY6gJNX4
 
DownUnder said:
do you really enjoy spending your whole life being argumentative just for the sake of it .. You so consistently just ignore the general point of what someone says just to stir up some **** that you can involve yourself in and puff your chest out about regardless of accuracy. Your act is tired, I'm done with it, it's like bickering with my 10 year old.
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Don't mind him, he gets high off of it. He does it to everyone too so don't take offence.


We all have our vices, ... for me it's ice cream at 10pm, for him it's arguing with people... LOL
 
ONE LOVE said:
Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.
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THat video isn't really conclusive IMO. One angle makes it look they took a power struggle too far and Rondo just happened to fall awkwardly. It was also a borderline confrontation/altercation between the two while play was live, so the situation was emotionally charged, explaining why Wade's initial reaction is to brush it off and walk away. Like the accident was a result of an incident, in other situations it's a basketball play that just ended unlucky without both players being visibly hostile towards each other.

I also don't think money is a legit justification to throw away good manners(even though it is a 'reason' in practice - as kids we're taught otherwise and as we grow up we learn how the adults we looked up to were often full of **** and hypocrits about what they taught us and most ppl react in a predictable way. They find ways to justify their own douchbaggery to themselves)
 
ONE LOVE said:
Yeah poor move by Dieng, although I've seen worse in the NBA. I believe there is a 'dark side' to the NBA. I remember when Rondo got injured in the playoffs by DWade. I mean, that was just blatant. It was clear as day what DWade was trying to do there. Rondo was out of the playoffs IIRC and the Heat advanced to the Finals. MIA led the series 2-0 at the time but BOS was at home and leading that game.


To me that is the 'dark side' of the NBA, something the Commissioner seems to 'turn a blind eye' to because focussing on it would clearly damage the product. I mean it was blatant what DWade did was intentional. If he had done that out in the real world I bet he would have been convicted of assault charges.


Players nowadays are VERY well compensated for their trouble though, so I guess it is moot point. Shut up and play or we'll find someone else who will.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4OY6gJNX4
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Pls shutup

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BTP said:
Just to level out your neediness:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?51156-George-Hill-coming-to-Utah/page4&p=1244857#post1244857
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I don't take it back, I trust Exum. my opinion on this is concurrent with the master plan that I've detailed here for years - keep the team extremely young whislt running the cap up way over the luxury tax by way of making good draft picks and re-signing Restricted free agents, I still contend thats the best way to open a BIG championship window and I still contend the team would've made noise this season, put a solid product on the floor and would easily be one of the best young teams.. So I look at these win-now moves as a concession of sorts.

Lettuce not forget I was all for going after a player with a ring and tons of playoff experience(more than the entire roster at the times playoff experience combined), who happened to be 23 at the time.. Instead that $$ was spent on Johnson and Diaw.

I certainly don't trust going for it this year, I say one of the unspoken results of the trade is security for the F.O./Quinn and moral victories for the players/fans.

It's easy to overreact about Hill's early play this season, there's still a great deal of risk involved, If he gets injured and then walks its a disastrous trade, we can all agree on that..

It was clearly addition by subtraction, and the subtraction part might not be finished - if he rapes the Jazz in contract negotiations (which they've given him the platform to do, and all the leverage)It could easily cost the Jazz an opportunity to keep another one of the young studs in uniform, so in a way there could be a cost-cutting element to the trade that isn't being discussed much here..


The ramifications of that trade are far from settled.


I still view the swap as a double-down move, which Is why I keep using the word risk. they missed on Burke so they use the 12th pick years later on Hill, who turns 31 in the playoffs. It's the same FO involved so I'd be remissed not to mention that If they would've just taken Schroder as I was pleading for months, none of this would've been necessary, instead of 2 young player on rookie deals they've got a 30 year old, who if he's got any sense will be looking for his last big multi-year deal.
 
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PG_AB said:
I don't take it back, I trust Exum. my opinion on this is concurrent with the master plan that I've detailed here for years - keep the team extremely young whislt running the cap up way over the luxury tax by way of making good draft picks and re-signing Restricted free agents, I still contend thats the best way to open a BIG championship window and I still contend the team would've made noise this season, put a solid product on the floor and would easily be one of the best young teams.. So I look at these win-now moves as a concession of sorts.

Lettuce not forget I was all for going after a player with a ring and tons of playoff experience(more than the entire roster at the times playoff experience combined), who happened to be 23 at the time.. Instead that $$ was spent on Johnson and Diaw.

I certainly don't trust going for it this year, I say one of the unspoken results of the trade is security for the F.O./Quinn and moral victories for the players/fans.

It's easy to overreact about Hill's early play this season, there's still a great deal of risk involved, If he gets injured and then walks its a disastrous trade, we can all agree on that..

It was clearly addition by subtraction, and the subtraction part might not be finished - if he rapes the Jazz in contract negotiations (which they've given him the platform to do, and all the leverage)It could easily cost the Jazz an opportunity to keep another one of the young studs in uniform, so in a way there could be a cost-cutting element to the trade that isn't being discussed much here..


The ramifications of that trade are far from settled.


I still view the swap as a double-down move, which Is why I keep using the word risk. they missed on Burke so they use the 12th pick years later on Hill, who turns 31 in the playoffs. It's the same FO involved so I'd be remissed not to mention that If they would've just taken Schroder as I was pleading for months, none of this would've been necessary, instead of 2 young player on rookie deals they've got a 30 year old, who if he's got any sense will be looking for his last big multi-year deal.
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Idk who the 23 year old FA is you're talking about(I'll assume he was restricted given his age - so probably impossible to get unless you follow up on that)

I think Schröder would've been horrible for the team. He's too ball dominant to be efficient next to Hood and Hayward and the disruptive, narcissistic elements of his personality have taken a lot more space in the picture he draws since he got drafted despite playing for Bud. He also still is a very shaky shooter.
Hill's and Johnson's range are proving to be HUGE assets for the Jazz in halfcourt. Having 35-42% shooters on all 3 backcourt slots makes it so much easier to get away with Favors and Gobert on the floor at the same time. And that size is what even Golden State admitted to have caused them the most trouble against OKC.

I also do not think we're contenders this year. I think the next 2-4 years are our main window when you look at the unexpected developments certain players have taken. But it's important to gel as a group and work towards that contention and eliminate as many flaws as possible. Because if the next CBA doesn't include some provision that allows teams to only have 1 top earner on their roster, then it's still Golden State's championship to lose, not the other way around. I hate that situation and can totally see myself skipping parts of the playoffs because of competitive boredom.

I think Hill, already turning 31 this season, has a lot of longevity left because of his length and skillset. I compared him with Chauncey Billups "golden fall" in another thread. So I'm excited that we have the opportunity to offer him a big *** contract and take a chance. Question is management's willingness to spend big time.
How many franchises have had long contention windows that lasted more than 3 years in the last decade(I know it's flawed window because the monitoring/analytics age really only began in the late 2000s for some teams and at the start of this decade for the rest)
 
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