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Thee jazz fan said:
I remember a game back when Burke was still on the team. I remember them saying during a game that he was in the top ten in mid range % in the entire league at 45%, so is 43% really that bad? Dirk does help with spacing with his reputation alone.
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It isnt bad. It's very good for a big. No one is leaving Dirk alone and just letting him shoot. Saying Dirk shooting, even when he takes midrange attempts, doesnt help spacing is absurd.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Then no one should ever shoot a midrange shot and just become the Houston Rockets.

And the ability and willingness to shoot midrange shots does help spacing. If no one had to respect the the threat of a midrange shot, it becomes much easier to cover a team.
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Just stop. 43% from mid-range, which is his primary shot, is not a good number from a point-per-position perspective. You know this. I'm not sure why you're even playing these mental gymnastics.
 
Siro said:
LMAO. Facts be damned.
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Facts? We are bringing up a stat that factors in FTA as evidence to his shooting ability for some reason.

The facts are he was a 38% 3pt shooter last year and has a reputation as one of hte best shooters of all time. But you want to act like Dirk isnt helping with spacing cuz he takes some midrange shots?

Do you even watch basketball? Just because basic analytics say the midrange shot is the worst shot value wise doesnt mean it isnt an important shot.
 
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Cy's contrarianism can really be hilarious.

He's a good shooter you guys! He shoots an unusual percentage! Don't be ridiculous and show me facts to make your argument!

/facepalm
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Facts? We are bringing up a stat that factors in FTA as evidence to his shooting ability for some reason.

The facts are he was a 38% 3pt shooter last year and has a reputation as one of hte best shooters of all time. But you want to act like Dirk isnt helping with spacing cuz he takes some midrange shots?

Do you even watch basketball? Just because basic analytics say the midrange shot is the worst shot value wise doesnt mean it isnt an important shot.
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He's 40 years old. Do you also think Vince Carter would totally win the dunk contest?
 
Siro said:
Cy's contrarianism can really be hilarious.

He's a good shooter you guys! He shoots an unusual percentage! Don't be ridiculous and show me facts to make your argument!

/facepalm
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I'm being a contrarian for calling Dirk Nowitzki a good shooter?

This can't be real life.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Facts? We are bringing up a stat that factors in FTA as evidence to his shooting ability for some reason.

The facts are he was a 38% 3pt shooter last year and has a reputation as one of hte best shooters of all time. But you want to act like Dirk isnt helping with spacing cuz he takes some midrange shots?

Do you even watch basketball? Just because basic analytics say the midrange shot is the worst shot value wise doesnt mean it isnt an important shot.
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Fair.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm being a contrarian for calling Dirk Nowitzki a good shooter?

This can't be real life.
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He was a good shooter. He has become inefficient. His TS% is bad. Well below league average, due to taking his shots from mi-range at a not-good rate.
 
I just want to say I don't disagree with the premise that Dirk is good to have off the bench for 20 minutes a game. I have no gripes with that, only with the fact the Dirk remains an efficient shooter at his age. He's still a HoF who provides leadership, championship experience, and okay contributions. I'm not hating on Dirk.
 
Siro said:
I just want to say I don't disagree with the premise that Dirk is good to have off the bench for 20 minutes a game. I have no gripes with that, only with the fact the Dirk remains an efficient shooter at his age. He's still a HoF who provides leadership, championship experience, and okay contributions. I'm not hating on Dirk.
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Being an efficient shooter =/= being an efficient scorer.

Dirk is still an efficient shooter. A PF who shoots his percentages on jump shots is still very rare.

You dont need advanced stats like TS% to know if someone is a good shooter. You just need shot chart and player mapping data.
 
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