Wow, stats.
Left is Horford, right is Drummond.
In the words of the dumb JTT, do you even watch basketball?
Horford is light-years ahead of Drummond.
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Horford is light-years ahead of Drummond.
The big 3 centers are Gobert, Embiid, and KAT. Horford is the 4th best and effectively counters the top centers in the NBA. Im not sure Drummond is even top 10.
addictionary
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Among centers? Lol wtf
Yeah, I would put Jokic 5th. Obviously a lot more talented than Horford, but his defensive issues (he is bloody awful) make him worse than Horford by a decent degree. Horford is just such a huge counter to the best centers where Jokic gets exposed by basically every player in the NBA on the defensive end.
If I'm being honest, I might even have Jokic lower than 5th. I really think his defensive issues will prevent Denver from making the playoffs again.
Having Horford/Jokic on the team is certainly interesting but to me it's a really bad choice. Horford has to play the 4 and his biggest advantages are taken away. Horford isnt good enough to cover for Jokic on the defensive end from the 4 position where he will be guarding much more athletic/better shooting players.
addictionary
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I was referring to Drummond falling out of top ten centers.
Oh yeah. I would have to sit down and make a new list, but the highest he would be is 10th (the Cousins injury certainly helps him as he wouldnt even be in my top 300 players for this upcoming season). I know people get mad if you discuss undrafted players, so as they get drafted I will say if they are better than Drummond.
Also, if you count AD as a center (which many would), that makes it even worse for him. But I'm a Gobert stan so I keep him in PF's to make my life better.
Drummond hasn't been picked, why are we talking about him?
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addictionary
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Who, Drummond?
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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First, in playoff basketball, 2/3 of my frontcourt are elite defenders (LeBron's regular season stats are from his pacing). So Jokic is complemented much better than in Denver, where he is surrounded by mediocrity excluding Milsap. Horford matches up with the best offensive big, and, as you say, "a huge counter to the best centers"
Second, even if there is a defensive liability with Jokic, the offensive combination of the three will much more than offset any deficit. If a team goes small, I will have a counter from my bench.
Third, the "Jokic is a terrible defender" is a popular, misguided and exaggerated take, where people fail to take a balanced look at stats and blame Jokic for Denver's defensive woes. He is, in fact, an average defender.
Player/ Year/ DRPM/ DRPM Rank among Centers
Jokic
....2018/+1.95/ 21rst
....2017/ +2.29/19th
....2016/ +3.61/ 4rth
Last 3 years Defensive +/-: +3.1 +2.3 +2.1
2018 DRPM has him above the likes of DeAndre, Dwight, M Gasol, Drummond, Adams, WCStein, etc.
If he is badly hurting his team on the floor, there is NO WAY he puts up these stats DRPM exposes the KATs Okafors & Kanters of the world
People see his playing close to the floor and assume that he is ineffective. He is an average defender.
If you have KAT in your top 3, you must be completely ignoring KAT's obviously pitiful defense.
KAT
....2018/.044/ 63rd
....2017/-1.41/ 68th
....2016/-0.22/ 49th
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RandyForRubio
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There’s middle ground between calling him a top-15 player (which nobody but yourself has done) and calling him a bum.
Quit acting like a child and learn how to present an argument.
You take the word bum so literal. You’re too old to understand anyways.
Hotdog
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You mean my pick
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Would you call Favors a bum? Aside from 3pt shooting their numbers are similar.