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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

framer said:
The Wizards are not an organization known for their astute planning and dizzying intellect. . .
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I just don't think that we are going to make a major trade. I feel like most of the possible trades either won't get to a serious discussion point between the two teams, the other team won't pull the trigger, or DL won't be convinced that the trade will make us so much better that he's willing to mess with the chemistry we currently have.

Like for instance if Memphis offered Conley in exchange for a package that included Rubio, would DL be convinced that Conley is such a big upgrade talent wise that he would trade Rubio who has fit on and off the court with this group extremely well? I'm not sure DL pulls that trigger.
 
SCS said:
I just don't think that we are going to make a major trade. I feel like most of the possible trades either won't get to a serious discussion point between the two teams, the other team won't pull the trigger, or DL won't be convinced that the trade will make us so much better that he's willing to mess with the chemistry we currently have.

Like for instance if Memphis offered Conley in exchange for a package that included Rubio, would DL be convinced that Conley is such a big upgrade talent wise that he would trade Rubio who has fit on and off the court with this group extremely well? I'm not sure DL pulls that trigger.
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I think Memphis would have little interest in Rubio. Rubio is only a throw in to make salaries work. I believe that they would want Exum because he is under a tradeable contract. I think if DL gets this done there would be other teams involved. They could even keep Rubio, but I'm not sure he would be happy playing Exum's minutes. Ultimately, I think the Jazz have a list of players that they feel would make this team better, and they are willing to be patient to get them as seen with Crowder and Korver and even with Rubio and Hill a couple years back. The Jazz can be cautious, but they have a pretty good track record for their trades the past few years. Only the move up to get Burke seems suspect, and I don't hold that entirely on DL. I entirely trust them on not screwing this up for dumb reasons.
 
framer said:
I think Memphis would have little interest in Rubio. Rubio is only a throw in to make salaries work. I believe that they would want Exum because he is under a tradeable contract. I think if DL gets this done there would be other teams involved. They could even keep Rubio, but I'm not sure he would be happy playing Exum's minutes. Ultimately, I think the Jazz have a list of players that they feel would make this team better, and they are willing to be patient to get them as seen with Crowder and Korver and even with Rubio and Hill a couple years back. The Jazz can be cautious, but they have a pretty good track record for their trades the past few years. Only the move up to get Burke seems suspect, and I don't hold that entirely on DL. I entirely trust them on not screwing this up for dumb reasons.
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We are negotiating from a position of strength so we should get a good deal if we do one.

Don’t get Conley? Fine Rubio is great for now and we can pivot this offseason.

Don’t get OP Jr? Fine we have wing depth and a decent stretch 4... and can pivot or chase FAs.

There are very few teams with the expirings and very few willing to cut into space to make a deal. Even less with a pick to offer.

With Conley they could wait until the offseason but unless they shut him down he hurts the tank and risks injury... have another injury and they won’t even get expirings for him.

If we do a deal we should get a discount... so I’d negotiate pretty hard and be prepared to walk away happily if it doesn’t work out.
 
I think San Antonio is the most logical suitor for Conley. Would have to put Gasol (only partially guaranteed next year) and Mills in the deal. Could add Walker or White and Toronto's first they got for Kawhi. Conley/White/DD/Gay/Aldridge or Poetl/Bertans in the starting lineup and for someone... pretty good for Pop's last ride.

Memphis may not care much about having Mills... I've always liked him. He's not better than Ricky, but I think he'd pair well off the bench with Exum. Could mix with DM some.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
To the people who are anti-Porter and anti-Conley, would it change your mind if you knew Utah could both?

It would take Rubio/Favors/Thabo/Exum/Allen/2 1st
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I'd think long and hard about it at least.

But one of the first things I'm thinking is that we're coming off a (Denver) game where our lack of depth (because of injuries/ejection in this case) almost lost us the game. We almost were not able to pull things off, having to rely on Udoh, Allen and Niang.

This proposal means that (at least without finding stuff in the buyout market this season, or the cheap FA market next season), we'd be relying on Udoh as the number 2 center, Neto as the number 2 PG, and Niang as the #3 PF. That might be expecting too much from them, not to mention that any injuries (esp. at PG or C) would leave us very vulnerable.

I'd also be thinking that we now would be at a distinct disadvantage when teams go with two bigs on us (Locke was mentioning that Denver's statistically best lineup includes both Jokic and Plumlee, for example). Though I think Crowder and Porter could handle the PF spot most of the time, they are overmatched because of height or weight (respectively) on occasion (having Ingles and O'Neale as emergency PF depth doesn't solve the problem). We might survive with the small-ball pressure we'd be putting on them, but it's risky losing functional depth.
 
idiot said:
I'd think long and hard about it at least.

But one of the first things I'm thinking is that we're coming off a (Denver) game where our lack of depth (because of injuries/ejection in this case) almost lost us the game. We almost were not able to pull things off, having to rely on Udoh, Allen and Niang.

This proposal means that (at least without finding stuff in the buyout market this season, or the cheap FA market next season), we'd be relying on Udoh as the number 2 center, Neto as the number 2 PG, and Niang as the #3 PF. That might be expecting too much from them, not to mention that any injuries (esp. at PG or C) would leave us very vulnerable.

I'd also be thinking that we now would be at a distinct disadvantage when teams go with two bigs on us (Locke was mentioning that Denver's statistically best lineup includes both Jokic and Plumlee, for example). Though I think Crowder and Porter could handle the PF spot most of the time, they are overmatched because of height or weight (respectively) on occasion (having Ingles and O'Neale as emergency PF depth doesn't solve the problem). We might survive with the small-ball pressure we'd be putting on them, but it's risky losing functional depth.
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If we are giving up Allen, Exum, and 2 firsts, I would expect a budget big to be coming back our way from Memphis or Washington, or us to get one with a trade exception. Essentially we are giving up 3 firsts along with good players on great contracts.
 
I'd do Favors, Dante and a #1 for Porter Jr. Really, the #2 PG would be Mitchell as you could roll out Royce and Donovan when Rubio sits.

Jazz would still have their full MLE to get another big and/or PG/combo guard if they want more depth.
 
Re: Conley/Porter possible trades.

I'm also thinking it's too bad we're in the situation where our expirings (at least Favors/Rubio) are very competent early-career veterans who genuinely help you win games both in the regular season and playoffs. We may indeed be looking to move on from them to find better fits. But there's certainly no guarantee that their replacements will end up being more productive.

The teams we're considering trading with probably value their contracts' expiring nature more than the players' productivity. Thus other teams with less productive expirings would be relatively advantaged in relation to us (because they're not losing as much productivity). They would not need to send out as good players to satisfy the Grizzlies/Wizards' desires.
 
framer said:
If we are giving up Allen, Exum, and 2 firsts, I would expect a budget big to be coming back our way from Memphis or Washington, or us to get one with a trade exception. Essentially we are giving up 3 firsts along with good players on great contracts.
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Just checked and outside of JJ Jr. neither team has anything that would qualify as a budget big that would even make our roster. I'd go find Trevor Booker first.
 
Jack Strop said:
I'd do Favors, Dante and a #1 for Porter Jr. Really, the #2 PG would be Mitchell as you could roll out Royce and Donovan when Rubio sits.

Jazz would still have their full MLE to get another big and/or PG/combo guard if they want more depth.
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I know this can functionally work in some situations. But I think it's dangerous calculate depth with the same player at multiple positions (what if Conley and Donovan are both out for a couple of games -- then we have Raul and Royce and nothing more than two true SFs behind them).

Edit: I'm thinking Cy's of thought of trading for both Conley and Porter. As I read more closely, maybe Jack wasn't.
 
idiot said:
Re: Conley/Porter possible trades.

I'm also thinking it's too bad we're in the situation where our expirings (at least Favors/Rubio) are very competent early-career veterans who genuinely help you win games both in the regular season and playoffs. We may indeed be looking to move on from them to find better fits. But there's certainly no guarantee that their replacements will end up being more productive.

The teams we're considering trading with probably value their contracts' expiring nature more than the players' productivity. Thus other teams with less productive expirings would be relatively advantaged in relation to us (because they're not losing as much productivity). They would not need to send out as good players to satisfy the Grizzlies/Wizards' desires.
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There's a decent chance the Wizards would be better with Favors over Porter Jr. Favors would be a force as a featured center in the East.
 
idiot said:
I know this can functionally work in some situations. But I think it's dangerous calculate depth with the same player at multiple positions (what if Conley and Donovan are both out for a couple of games -- then we have Raul and Royce and nothing more than two true SFs behind them).
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Then we send DL to China with a blank contract, and it begins. . .
 
idiot said:
I know this can functionally work in some situations. But I think it's dangerous calculate depth with the same player at multiple positions (what if Conley and Donovan are both out for a couple of games -- then we have Raul and Royce and nothing more than two true SFs behind them).
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framer said:
There's a decent chance the Wizards would be better with Favors over Porter Jr. Favors would be a force as a featured center in the East.
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Perhaps so. But if Favors makes them better than Porter (and if we're helping them deal with their financial issues), then we sure ought not to be sending them one additional useful player plus a first.
 
idiot said:
Re: Conley/Porter possible trades.

I'm also thinking it's too bad we're in the situation where our expirings (at least Favors/Rubio) are very competent early-career veterans who genuinely help you win games both in the regular season and playoffs. We may indeed be looking to move on from them to find better fits. But there's certainly no guarantee that their replacements will end up being more productive.

The teams we're considering trading with probably value their contracts' expiring nature more than the players' productivity. Thus other teams with less productive expirings would be relatively advantaged in relation to us (because they're not losing as much productivity). They would not need to send out as good players to satisfy the Grizzlies/Wizards' desires.
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I think with Conley you say to memphis... here are Favs and Ricky for Conley... you can shop them individually for salary dumps where you get worse players and a pick... but we shouldn't have to give up the pick there. If they value Exum I will do Exum and Favs. We could add Thabo for them and take Green back which saves them some this year.. they are right at the tax line so the savings matter.

The San Antonio offer could be decent... but most the other deals require them to take on future money that is bad.
 
Booker would be a good guy to bring back next year if Favors is gone because he could play small ball 5, too.
 
framer said:
There's a decent chance the Wizards would be better with Favors over Porter Jr. Favors would be a force as a featured center in the East.
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Favs and Thabo also saves them like $5-10M this year between salary and tax.

I'd drive a hard bargain if I'm DL. Who else is in the Otto market? Sacramento (no pick worse expiring salary) are the main team I've heard mentioned. NO could do Niko/Hill and a first. They don't save as much this year or next. Niko isn't better for them than Favs and is now hurt.
 
infection said:
Booker would be a good guy to bring back next year if Favors is gone because he could play small ball 5, too.
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I believe he is hurt and recovering from an injury.
 
idiot said:
Perhaps so. But if Favors makes them better than Porter (and if we're helping them deal with their financial issues), then we sure ought not to be sending them one additional useful player plus a first.
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Which is probably why Porter isn't suiting up for the Jazz against the Peskies tonight.
 
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