2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Hotdog]

Yeah I am sure Jabari is a star, prolly the best player next to Lebron. If only all of the stupid execs and coaches in the NBA could recognize talent. Freaking morons. Obviously Jabari is the MVP just waiting to be let loose from the shackles that have been unfairly placed upon him by all 30 stupid execs and coaches. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, cuz NBA execs and coaches are right about everything everytime right?

Tobias Harris was passed around multiple times and given up on multiple times. Now everyone is on his dong, and loves him. Why is that? Why didnt these brilliant NBA executives see that coming? What about Spencer Dinwiddie. I made a thread about him a couple years ago, and basically got the same stupid trash comments back about him. Now everyone wants him. You do realize that people get smarter and mature as human beings right?

We seriously play this same stupid game every single year. There is hardly anyone here that can see actual potential in players. Everybody wants to buy high. Which is a trash strategy.


Jabari Parker. 23 years old. Yep, this must be his peak. Because all basketball players peak at 23. (Jazzfanz logic)

By the way, he is pretty damn good even if this was his peak.

 

[campaignist]

I'd take a flyer on Jabari if there was basically no cost involved, but trading for him would cost some useful players.
I'll take Favors 10/10 over him, even going forward.

Sure, maybe he needs the right system. But Harris continually showed improvement at every stop, and I haven't seen
that out of Parker. He can't play next to a stud like Giannis, and he's out of the rotation on a lotto team where he
theoretically should have every opportunity to succeed. I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Hotdog]

I'd take a flyer on Jabari if there was basically no cost involved, but trading for him would cost some useful players.
I'll take Favors 10/10 over him, even going forward.

Sure, maybe he needs the right system. But Harris continually showed improvement at every stop, and I haven't seen
that out of Parker. He can't play next to a stud like Giannis, and he's out of the rotation on a lotto team where he
theoretically should have every opportunity to succeed. I'm just not seeing it.

Part of this that should be considered is not whether Jabari is the next Lebron, but is he better than a lot do the players we already have, and is he available. And the answer is yes to both of those questions.

Who else are we going to get to make us better? Teams arent lining up to give away there best players. Opportunities like this are rare.

Would I rather have an already established allstar? Sure, but its not happening.

Also, we should save the nonsense about an allstar signing here next year. Thats not happening neither.

 

[Jingled]

Did anyone happen to catch Locke's podcast this morning? I clicked on the link but there's no audio. Apparently he took a look at D'Angelo Russell as a possible trade target for the Jazz.

 

[infection]

Did anyone happen to catch Locke's podcast this morning? I clicked on the link but there's no audio. Apparently he took a look at D'Angelo Russell as a possible trade target for the Jazz.

Consider me underwhelmed.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I don't necessarily disagree that rozier would be an upgrade to Rubio. What I'm saying is that I don't really want to replace a guy who I think sucks with a guy who I think also sucks but just a little less.
I would rather get a good player.

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Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio. Not much of a playmaker, not a smart player, takes loads of dumb shots. He might be a better shooter, but his low iq negates that particular advantage.

Rubio, Thabo and our 2019 1st (top 18 protected) for Hardaway and Frank. http://tradenba.com/trades/HkV1WXgeN

If NY used our pick to dump Lee, they would have around $65 million to pursue KD and another. And their tank could be epic.

Frank is the only guy I think Mitchell is okay with trading Rubio for. Maybe Rozier, but Frank would be celebrated by Donovan.

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Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio, at best they are a push, with Rubio by a nose. Lmfao at people wanting to trade Rubio for Frank, oh my good god, the idiots!! I’m all for upgrading at pg, but those two ain’t it, period!!

 

[Hotdog]

Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio. Not much of a playmaker, not a smart player, takes loads of dumb shots. He might be a better shooter, but his low iq negates that particular advantage.


Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio, at best they are a push, with Rubio by a nose. Lmfao at people wanting to trade Rubio for Frank, oh my good god, the idiots!! I’m all for upgrading at pg, but those two ain’t it, period!!

I dont even think its necessarily a point guard problem. Point guards generally dont push you over the hump to win championships anyways. What we need is another dominant scorer who can push us through when we are having trouble scoring. Donavan is great, but he needs a sidekick. Preferably a taller one. We dont have anyone who can help him. Ingles is great, but isnt going to take over a game.

Lets see, do we know of any available players who are big and who are really good at scoring? Can you think of any names that come to mind Thee?

 

[infection]

Let’s trade Exum for Fultz.

- Exum gets to go somewhere “away from Quin” and play with his BFF Simmons.
- Exum pimpers can move over to Sixers forums where they can ride Simmons’ and Exum’s nuts 24/7.
- JFC gets a new whipping boy that doesn’t come with a bunch of trolls and homers.
- Jazz effectively shave a year off Exum’s deal by exercising the termination option on Fultz after next year.
- Homey gets to keep us apprised of the Stars’ title hunt.
- Neto can get a confidence boost knowing he’s higher on the depth chart than a former first pick.

 

[LoPo]

Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio. Not much of a playmaker, not a smart player, takes loads of dumb shots. He might be a better shooter, but his low iq negates that particular advantage.


Rozier isn’t an upgrade to Rubio, at best they are a push, with Rubio by a nose. Lmfao at people wanting to trade Rubio for Frank, oh my good god, the idiots!! I’m all for upgrading at pg, but those two ain’t it, period!!

I would argue that Rozier is an upgrade for the following reasons:

#1 - he defends better. The argument could end right here, but I'll keep going
#2 - even in his "down year" so far this year, Rozier and Rubio have similar offensive production. Rubio gets more assists, but Rozier gets more rebounds, shoots better from 3, and has less turnovers.
#3 - I like the idea of Mitchell having the ball more. Rozier isn't as ball dominant as Rubio

So from style and defense, I would take Rozier.

 

[campaignist]

If the question is whether or not Jabari is better than who we have, then it depends on exactly who he’s better than. Or rather, would you trade those players for him.

I wouldn’t trade favors for Parker.
I probably wouldn’t trade Crowder, because the drop off on D would be huge, and we’d have to add in other things.
I’d maybe trade Exum, but I doubt the jazz would. I’m more optimistic about Dante than many though.

And if the jazz wanted Jabari, they probably could have gotten him last year.

I just see his career trajectory as more similar to Jahlil Okafor than Tobias Harris. And I don’t think the opportunity cost of not making a move for a Mirotic level guy instead of Parker is worth it.

 

[LoPo]

I would take a chance on Parker, but I wouldn't take him via trade. I would want to sign him after he clears waivers.

I would rather have Favors. However, a trade of Favors opens up a chance for a guy like Jabari.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Did anyone happen to catch Locke's podcast this morning? I clicked on the link but there's no audio. Apparently he took a look at D'Angelo Russell as a possible trade target for the Jazz.

I'm kind of torn on him. I hate guys that seem like they are selfish and immature. He may have overcome some of his LA BS. Maybe being in a small market like Utah will help him... the Joakim Noah effect... LA and NY are "too lit".

The idea of what he could be in an ideal scenario if he reached his ceiling is really great. Dude is talented. Has had some injury issues too that could have stunted him a bit. IDK... would be a significant gamble.

I do get the impression that him and DM are cool (DM is cool with almost everyone). they seemed to have a long exchange last time we played and had some playful video game twitter banter.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Did anyone happen to catch Locke's podcast this morning? I clicked on the link but there's no audio. Apparently he took a look at D'Angelo Russell as a possible trade target for the Jazz.

Just listened... his case is this -

- Hes a good catch and shoot 3P% 40% less good on ball
- So how does he do with another combo PG kinda like DM... and it was better.
- Good off screens and DHO... so maybe he needs to have the ball less to maximize his skills.
- He picked him because he is fairly sure the Jazz wouldn't consider him so he couldn't be accused of dropping insider knowledge.

I wouldn't trade for him unless the cost was close to nothing. I think he could be had with a good FA offer unless he explodes at some point during the rest of the year.

 

[Miggs]

How is Russell on defense? I hate his stupid hair.

 

[LoPo]

Just listened... his case is this -

- Hes a good catch and shoot 3P% 40% less good on ball
- So how does he do with another combo PG kinda like DM... and it was better.
- Good off screens and DHO... so maybe he needs to have the ball less to maximize his skills.
- He picked him because he is fairly sure the Jazz wouldn't consider him so he couldn't be accused of dropping insider knowledge.

I wouldn't trade for him unless the cost was close to nothing. I think he could be had with a good FA offer unless he explodes at some point during the rest of the year.

We don't get a chance at D'Angelo Russell type guys through free agency. Honestly, we usually don't get a chance at guys like him period. I think it's worth the gamble. Seems like he would be a good fit next to Donovan.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

How is Russell on defense? I hate his stupid hair.

Not great but he gets steals. He's got good length but not super athletic.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don't get a chance at D'Angelo Russell type guys through free agency. Honestly, we usually don't get a chance at guys like him period. I think it's worth the gamble. Seems like he would be a good fit next to Donovan.

Why... he won't get max? He will follow the money all things being equal. He'd have a good opportunity to grow with our team too. I'm not following at all.

BKN may not match because they are pushing for "stars" and they will have LeVert and Dinwiddie under contract. Although, they got Spencer at a number that is perfectly fine for an elite bench player.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm like 99% sure Russell is not one that Locke thinks we'd pursue and was kinda just throwing and example against the wall. I think he's the type that I'd be excited but nervous if we got... then once we got him all his flaws would drive me crazy.

He's still a fun guy to watch... but I don't know if he's as fun when he's on your team.

 

[LoPo]

Why... he won't get max? He will follow the money all things being equal. He'd have a good opportunity to grow with our team too. I'm not following at all.

BKN may not match because they are pushing for "stars" and they will have LeVert and Dinwiddie under contract. Although, they got Spencer at a number that is perfectly fine for an elite bench player.

I was saying that I like the idea of Russell.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I was saying that I like the idea of Russell.

I was referring to the "we don't get a shot at guys like Russell in FA" comment. I think we'd have a shot if we wanted.