2019 Trade Deadline Discussion
- Thread starter LoPo
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Won’t load. What is it?
I wouldnt make a trade. I think the team is good as is and should be looking forward to max cap-space in 2019.
Damn, it's a 3-way trade w/ Boston/NYC/New Orleans.
New Orleans trades: Holiday, Davis, and Randle
New York trades: Kanter, Knox, Ntlikikina, Hardaway, and Thomas
Boston trades: Irving, Hayward, Tatum, and Rozier
New Orleans receives: Tatum, Knox, Kanter, Rozier, and Thomas
New York receives: Irving, Hayward, and Randle
Boston receives: Davis, Holiday, Hardaway, and Ntlilikina
*thinking on it longer, New Orleans probably needs a pick from Boston, like their Grizzlies pick this year*
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Here;s the trade on realgm if it makes it easier to see.
Here;s the trade on realgm if it makes it easier to see.
Miggs
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I agree with Cy. Staying pat’s the likely best move right now.
I’ll throw out the occasional trade but I think we have an A+ locker room and chemistry. Making a trade could screw that up. I’m not risk adverse but unless there’s something that’s a no-brainer, it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me right now, with emphasis on right now, as we’re playing some really strong ball and are two weeks away from a really ****ing easy schedule. If we can go 4-2 in the next six, we have a legit shot at the 2 or 3 seed imo. Possibly even the 1 though that’s highly unlikely.
All season I’ve hoped for the 2 or 3 seed. That is totally within sight and I think we’ll find out in the next 2-3 weeks just how well we’re playing and how possible that is.
I’ll throw out the occasional trade but I think we have an A+ locker room and chemistry. Making a trade could screw that up. I’m not risk adverse but unless there’s something that’s a no-brainer, it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me right now, with emphasis on right now, as we’re playing some really strong ball and are two weeks away from a really ****ing easy schedule. If we can go 4-2 in the next six, we have a legit shot at the 2 or 3 seed imo. Possibly even the 1 though that’s highly unlikely.
All season I’ve hoped for the 2 or 3 seed. That is totally within sight and I think we’ll find out in the next 2-3 weeks just how well we’re playing and how possible that is.
I’m only in the mood for a shooting four by using Favors (Niko, Gallo) or only move if it brings us a 20 ppg guy, though I don’t know who that is and probably won’t happen.
I’m also open to moving Exum in a deal that could net us a Patty Mills or George Hill kind of guy.
You think so? I dont know how they are going to do any better. They at least get a guy who has top 10 potential with this trade. They trade with the Lakes and they can't get a guy like that.
The mailman
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Sometimes I wonder... how much better would we be right now had Hill and Hayward both stayed...
Hill
DM
Hayward
Favors
Rudy
It still wouldn’t fix our PF situation but I think we’d be a lot stronger, and Ingles would be in the running for 6th man of the year...
Hill
DM
Hayward
Favors
Rudy
It still wouldn’t fix our PF situation but I think we’d be a lot stronger, and Ingles would be in the running for 6th man of the year...
LoPo
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Don't ever give me a hard time about a trade again. This is dreadful.
We probably won't make another trade before the deadline, but we should. We are pretty close to contending but we need to either improve PF or PG.
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Boom.
Sandman822
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Interesting trade idea, but I don't think it happens for a few reasons. Main one being the Celtics aren't going to move their All Star/All NBA caliber player to acquire another one, they're going to move their assets to pair the two together. AD has got NOLA over a barrel because he will ether ask for a trade, or he will reject NOLA's extension offer in the offseason and start the clock on how long he has left in NOLA before he walks in FA, and whether NOLA wants to cash him in for 50c to the dollar or let him go for nothing. The only way Boston trading Irving for Davis makes some sense is if they think the Lakers landing AD is imminent, and because they can't trade for two players on the DRose rookie extensions they decide to move Irving to get Davis in a last ditch effort, otherwise they're going to wait until the offseason and then come to the Pelicans with a Godfather offer while also trying to not give up Irving/Tatum in a deal (they'll probably start off with something like Hayward/Horford/Brown/Rozier/all the picks for Davis + Hill + filler and negotiate from there). If they need to they'll put in Tatum but not without Ainge fighting tooth and nail to keep him.
I also think the Knicks would rather just wait until the offseason and roll the dice on trying to lure in a FA instead of parting with Knox who they're super high on (as am I, I think the kid could be special) and taking on Hayward's contract, and NOLA would want picks in any AD deal if they're also taking on salary - even if it's expiring salary. They're not signing anyone anytime soon if AD leaves so cap space isn't a valuable asset for them.
Sandman822
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Davis getting traded in the offseason also allows NOLA to move on from Jrue in the offseason, and I think the Jazz should absolutely take a hard look at getting him in over re-signing Rubio. His contract is pretty meaty but this is the time to get a guy like that while DM is still on his rookie deal, and Jrue would be so good for Mitchell. Only concern would be that Exum would likely be moved in that trade as a young guy they could take a flyer on, and assuming Rubio went elsewhere to get paid that leaves the back up guard situation quite dire.
The Pelicans by rule of the NBA cant have Irving and Davis at the same time.
Sandman822
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No it's the Celtics who can't because they would have traded for both of them. CBA forbids teams from acquiring two players who got the DRose rookie extensions via trade, so the Pelicans could in theory trade for Irving and pair them together in NOLA since they re-signed Davis, but Boston can't trade for Davis until Kyrie's deal ends as they traded for Irving which forbids them from trading for Davis until Irving's deal is up.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Getting Jrue at that salary would not be ideal for the jazz. He as a pg isn’t worth it when we could just let Rubio walk and move DM to pg, probably a better position for him considering his height. We can maximize talent better going for a wing or stretch 4.
That's what I meant to say, but Boston can trade for Davis if they trade Irving.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I would still trade for Otto Porter Jr. If Exum and Favors are used the Jazz would still have enough to offer Malcolm Brogdon and very nice contract Milwaukee would have a hard time matching.
Putting Dm and Gobert in a line up with 3 players that can hit 40% from 3 is deadly
Putting Dm and Gobert in a line up with 3 players that can hit 40% from 3 is deadly
Sandman822
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Yep, but I addressed that in my post by saying the only reason they would do that is if they think the Lakers landing him was imminent (e.g trade deadline) and wanted to go all in on AD. The Celtics preference will be to wait until the offseason to pair him with Irving, and imo NOLA would be able to get a much better package from Boston even if Ainge managed to keep Tatum out of the deal and they could still potentially compete the year after with some combination of Holiday/Hayward/Randle/Horford/Mirotic/Moore/Brown/etc, or they could blow it up and find a 3rd team who wanted to take on some of those guys in exchange for assets and potentially move Holiday at the same time, or move him in a later deal.
If Mitchell was actually capable of playing PG then we would've seen plenty of it already with Rubio's struggles early and Exum's struggles most of the season, but we haven't because Mitchell can't run the point.
The Exum/Korver/Ingles/Crowder/Favors lineup was originally tried with Mitchell there in the first couple of games after acquiring Korver, but DM tunnel visioned too much for the lineup to really work, whereas it hums along much better with Exum since he's not looking to score every possession and it allows everyone else to get involved more, particular Ingles who gets to actually showcase his playmaking skills with that unit alot more, and it results in a lot of wide open 3s and wide open lanes for the Exum/Favors PnR to operate. OKC defended that lineup the best so far as they just stayed home on all of the shooters and let Exum try to beat them by walling off the Exum/Favors PnR, and that's where if Mitchell was a more willing passer then he could absolutely abuse that style of defense since he could take and make the shots Exum can't, but it doesn't work because with Mitchell there they just lock him down instead and he wasn't able to find the open man or keep the offense rolling in the half court and instead would force a lot of bad shots.
It's still imo the biggest thing preventing Mitchell from being an all star caliber player, even moreso than his inability to draw fouls. A Mitchell who can play point for stretches of a game like DWade can/could would unlock so many more lineups for this team but he's just not capable of doing it at this stage in his career, and I think it would dramatically improve his efficiency since he could pick and choose his spots better instead of forcing tough looks.