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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Handlogten's Heros said:
I would rather have Holiday over Wall regardless of contract.

I think Wall the player is useful, but I wouldn't want any part of the contract and he's not the guy I'd want in the locker room.
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I agree with you. I wouldn't want Wall but if NOLA wants him, I think they have to send somebody back of value. There are still dumb GMs out there who might swing on Wall. Washington won't just dump him for an expiring.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm somewhat in this boat... You can use Boston as pseudo-leverage by just saying you'll wait unless LA gives up the full treasure trove. LBJ only has so many years left so getting an AD/LBJ year in now has tremendous value.

I'd ask for Ingram/Wagner/3 firsts/ and let them choose between Hart and Kuzma (i think they'd retain Kuzma)... add in whatever else to match salary. Unless Boston tells NO they will put Tatum in the deal this summer that is as good as I think Boston could do. NO should fall to the bottom of the conference this year... making an #8 seed looks hard right now and won't prove anything to AD.
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This only makes sense to me if you think the Lakers have the better package on offer. I don't think the Lakers best offer would beat out the Celtics best offer, if anything NOLA should use the Lakers as leverage to get Ainge to part with Tatum as he's clearly the best player that either team could offer in return for AD without parting with their star players.
 
I've watched more Knicks basketball than I care to admit... everytime I watch I'm super impressed by Noah Vonleh. He does a lot of the stuff we like about Favs and has added a three point shot. Young dude still and has filled out amazingly well. I'm interested in adding him if we let Favs walk or moved on... Has kind of a PJ Tucker vibe to him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've watched more Knicks basketball than I care to admit... everytime I watch I'm super impressed by Noah Vonleh. He does a lot of the stuff we like about Favs and has added a three point shot. Young dude still and has filled out amazingly well. I'm interested in adding him if we let Favs walk or moved on... Has kind of a PJ Tucker vibe to him.
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How has Mudiay been?
 
Catchall said:
How has Mudiay been?
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I haven't caught his big games... He's been okay when I've watched certainly better than he was in Denver, but he was really bad in Denver. I think he's a useful basketball player... don't think he's completely unplayable like an MCW.
 
I've mostly been watching to try and see how I truly feel on Tim Hardaway Jr., and mostly so I can confirm my initial opinion and tell @Saint Cy of JFC he's wrong... sadly my findings have not been great thus far.
 
Keep an eye on certain players who were high draft picks, but take a few years to develop. Oladipo was one of those and was considered a bad contract when he was in OKC. See if guys like Kris Dunn or Emanuel Mudiay show signs. They're at least NBA athletes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've watched more Knicks basketball than I care to admit... everytime I watch I'm super impressed by Noah Vonleh. He does a lot of the stuff we like about Favs and has added a three point shot. Young dude still and has filled out amazingly well. I'm interested in adding him if we let Favs walk or moved on... Has kind of a PJ Tucker vibe to him.
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I agree with your assessment. I like Vonleh a lot too.

I'm a fan a few Knick players:
Vonleh
Ntilikina
Dotson

I bet we can have one or two of the above if we were to take Courtney Lee and his $12.7 for next year.

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DL’s hand is going to be forced soon on creating more offense. When our defense is good, but our defensive focus and intensity wanes when we can score the damn ball, we’ll see that a number of our issues aren’t magically fixed by strength of schedule.

On another note, a year and a half ago we traded up to draft a guy who plays only one position, and it’s the position of our best player. Not to mention that we’re already playing one of our better guys out of position because he can’t get enough minutes at his natural position because our best player plays that position. Plus we also have the best defender in the world who can’t sniff anything more than occasional garbage time. So we’ve got this guy who’s played 28 total NBA minutes. We’re a third of the way through the season, and he’s yet to log a single damn minute this year.

Like it or not, I’ve seen the future, and DL will be backed into a corner where he will have to kick the tires on Jabari. Favors, Bradley, and a second round pick are moving to Chicago. The only teams I could see moving for Jabari would be Houston or Sacramento. Maybe NOP desperation move. But I think only Houston would even be in the ball park of offering a first rounder. They may take a flyer on Bradley and I’d like to believe that we could throw in Tomic for teh lolz.
 
infection said:
DL’s hand is going to be forced soon on creating more offense. When our defense is good, but our defensive focus and intensity wanes when we can score the damn ball, we’ll see that a number of our issues aren’t magically fixed by strength of schedule.

On another note, a year and a half ago we traded up to draft a guy who plays only one position, and it’s the position of our best player. Not to mention that we’re already playing one of our better guys out of position because he can’t get enough minutes at his natural position because our best player plays that position. Plus we also have the best defender in the world who can’t sniff anything more than occasional garbage time. So we’ve got this guy who’s played 28 total NBA minutes. We’re a third of the way through the season, and he’s yet to log a single damn minute this year.

Like it or not, I’ve seen the future, and DL will be backed into a corner where he will have to kick the tires on Jabari. Favors, Bradley, and a second round pick are moving to Chicago. The only teams I could see moving for Jabari would be Houston or Sacramento. Maybe NOP desperation move. But I think only Houston would even be in the ball park of offering a first rounder. They may take a flyer on Bradley and I’d like to believe that we could throw in Tomic for teh lolz.
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No way. I’m not giving them a perfectly functional Favors for a bad player and a malcontent... definitely not adding to the package. If Favs is moved it will be for OP Jr., Gallo, or to a playoff team in need of a center (if there was a team that suffered an injury). I could see the first round deal with the teams you proposed if Randle or Capela got hurt... but the cap relief would be as important as the player there... and our season would have to go to **** quickly for DL to give up FA dreams... even then I don’t think he’d do it unless the pick was juicy (only like top 8 protected).

If we brought Jabari in it would only be because he was bought out and we can get him on a cheap 2 year make good deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
No way. I’m not giving them a perfectly functional Favors for a bad player and a malcontent... definitely not adding to the package. If Favs is moved it will be for OP Jr., Gallo, or to a playoff team in need of a center (if there was a team that suffered an injury). I could see the first round deal with the teams you proposed if Randle or Capela got hurt... but the cap relief would be as important as the player there... and our season would have to go to **** quickly for DL to give up FA dreams... even then I don’t think he’d do it unless the pick was juicy (only like top 8 protected).

If we brought Jabari in it would only be because he was bought out and we can get him on a cheap 2 year make good deal.
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I would much prefer Gallo, but he’s played his way out of our range. I think when all is said and done, the only way we can add offense is Jabari, unless WAS is blowing it up and we view Otto Porter as the next guy for a Tobias Harris jump.
 
I’d be willing to throw in a first round pick to LAC and I hope we don’t take the same stupid perspectives on the draft going forward. The powder needs to be lit now as Rudy is peaking and we need to put some **** together. I don’t care about bites at the apple.

Also, if we could land Gallo then sign Brogdan then we’d be set. Maybe get another bench shooter. Brogdon is 53/54 from the line.

It’d also be nice to always have one of Brogdon, Gallo, or Korver on the floor to not be missing any freebie techs.
 
infection said:
I would much prefer Gallo, but he’s played his way out of our range. I think when all is said and done, the only way we can add offense is Jabari, unless WAS is blowing it up and we view Otto Porter as the next guy for a Tobias Harris jump.
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Yeah, this season sucks more and more because most of our ideal midseason or summer targets look less and less likely.

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I have changed my position on a few things:

No to Hardaway - injury concern and contract.

No to Gallo - injury concern and we need a guy to create buckets not just a stretch 4. If he came super cheap, then sure but he ain't gonna come or stay for cheap.

No to Fultz - gamble not worth taking


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infection said:
I would much prefer Gallo, but he’s played his way out of our range. I think when all is said and done, the only way we can add offense is Jabari, unless WAS is blowing it up and we view Otto Porter as the next guy for a Tobias Harris jump.
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No on Jabari... just no... in a trade anyway.

I'm still not sure Gallo has improved his trade equity so much that a team would pony up expiring salary and a pick or other substantial asset. He's one injury away from being back to a trade negative. They can probably figure it out capwise still.... but it'd be tricky if two max guys wanted to come.

There are basically no teams willing to take on future money (at least that is what is being reported) for good players. If you want to dump bad players for draft picks Cleveland is holding on line 1. The Kings would be a natural fit to do this, but Vlade said they won't do anything that compromises their cap space next year. They can always change their mind, I think they'd be more into Porter than Gallo. I could see Dallas taking a flier on Gallo... but they won't offer a first (they really can't until 2021 anyway). Would they throw DS Jr. to make it work? They also have Barnes as the small ball PF and I think they'd prefer younger options.

So what teams have expiring contracts, no big salary needs that will throw them into LT, a positional need, are in win now mode, and would offer draft or prospects to grease the wheels? Not many imo... if Philly has given up on cap space aspirations maybe they'd do it... Portland? maybe... salary matching is hard. San Antonio? Maybe but salary matching would be hard. NOP could be the one if they can flip Niko for some draft asset (and expirings) and bring Gallo in. They'd be in a bind if AD wanted to re-sign Randle (AD is their new GM until he demands a trade).

I think we are in a position of strength with our expirings if we are willing to use them on good players now... I think we are in a much worse position if we wait until FA to do our work.

LACs may wait and figure they can get off of Gallo's deal this offseason with no issues if Kawhi and Kyrie say yes, but if they did make him available I think we'd be in a solid position.
 
LoPo said:
I have changed my position on a few things:

No to Hardaway - injury concern and contract.

No to Gallo - injury concern and we need a guy to create buckets not just a stretch 4. If he came super cheap, then sure but he ain't gonna come or stay for cheap.

No to Fultz - gamble not worth taking


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Gallo does create though... he's not a Ryan Anderson type. He's basically perfect if he's healthy. I have age/injury concerns but he's basically exactly what we need on offense.
 
The Clips will likely wait and not trade Gallo unless they get big signs that they are getting two of their targets. They can clear enough room with Harris' cap hold and Gallo to sign Kawhi outright... So Gallo for straight expirings is a pipe dream unless they are worried and I almost think they'd have to start losing a lot.... which isn't likely.

OP Jr. for expirings is a possibility still... his knee injury is troubling though... the infamous bone bruise. He's missed like 8-10 games.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Gallo does create though... he's not a Ryan Anderson type. He's basically perfect if he's healthy. I have age/injury concerns but he's basically exactly what we need on offense.
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I like Gallo, but what we would have do trade to make the numbers work makes it pretty much a lateral move in my opinion. Gallo makes us better than Favors probably, but how much better?

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