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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Saint Cy of JFC said:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...um=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Love has no trade value according to this article. The best the Cavs can hope for is to get out of his contract.

So that should either excite you about how low cost Love is, or confirm why you don't want him.
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So when you said matching contracts and a first was the bare minimum you may have been off?

This article echos my feelings about him.. . they'd be lucky to get expiring salary. If he was a FA this offseason how much would he make? not 4/120 thats for damn sure. One of the two worst contracts in the league (note Nic Batum's deal was not mentioned).

Just say no to Love.
 
I wish we could trade for Lauri. I dont think we could offer anything outside of Mitchell or Gobert that would even get Chicago to answer the phone but wow he would be great here. I would take him over any PF except Anthony Davis. I guess if you count Giannis and Embiid as a PF then those guys as well. There might be someone else that I am forgetting but I would take him over Porzingis, Griffin, Aldridge, Kuzma, Gordon, Love, and many others.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I wish we could trade for Lauri. I dont think we could offer anything outside of Mitchell or Gobert that would even get Chicago to answer the phone but wow he would be great here. I would take him over any PF except Anthony Davis. I guess if you count Giannis and Embiid as a PF then those guys as well. There might be someone else that I am forgetting but I would take him over Porzingis, Griffin, Aldridge, Kuzma, Gordon, Love, and many others.
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Personally I'd rather have Siakim
 
MVP said:
Unless Mitchell or Gobert is involved Toronto is not even talking about Siakam.
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They can't afford him if they keep Kawhi.

Obviously they wont trade him this year, but if Leonard stays, they might have to next year.
 
MVP said:
So lets hope Lindsey will grab one of them. Could be cheap, low risk, high reward solution if works out.
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They have one, his name is Georges Niang. He shot 53% from 3 last season for the Stars.

They also have Cavanaugh, who has shot 45% and 43% from 3 in the G-League.

These guys arent rare in the G-League and it doesnt translate to being a useful player if that's all you can do.
 
Not a trade target, but I think I'm 100% in on Malcolm Brogdon. They might match any offer... but I think I'd go all the way up to his max... which is a little bananas, but I did some digging after watching him.

He is a light's out spot up 3 point shooter. He has size and can bounce between both guard positions. He shoots at the rim a lot... like almost half his shots and is finishing an obscene 66% from 0-3 feet. Don't think its a fluke either because he's done it two straight years. The only knocks I have on him is just FT rate and he doesn't have a midrange game (not a huge knock). Solid defensively... I don't think he's great there but I don't think he's negative defensive player. Would fit with both Exum and DM.

I think we can find a stretch four cheaper somewhere else and that Jae can really handle most of those minutes (I still think Royce is more of a small ball four than a wing).

It would be an OP Jr. esque overpay and they are very likely to still match imo but if you make the offer early they might have some pause.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They can't afford him if they keep Kawhi.

Obviously they wont trade him this year, but if Leonard stays, they might have to next year.
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Even if Kawhi stays they will be fine.. JV, Serge both come off the books as well as Kyle Lowry. They probably keep Kyle, but he will be old and won't command the 30M a year he's getting now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not a trade target, but I think I'm 100% in on Malcolm Brogdon. They might match any offer... but I think I'd go all the way up to his max... which is a little bananas, but I did some digging after watching him.

He is a light's out spot up 3 point shooter. He has size and can bounce between both guard positions. He shoots at the rim a lot... like almost half his shots and is finishing an obscene 66% from 0-3 feet. Don't think its a fluke either because he's done it two straight years. The only knocks I have on him is just FT rate and he doesn't have a midrange game (not a huge knock). Solid defensively... I don't think he's great there but I don't think he's negative defensive player. Would fit with both Exum and DM.

I think we can find a stretch four cheaper somewhere else and that Jae can really handle most of those minutes (I still think Royce is more of a small ball four than a wing).

It would be an OP Jr. esque overpay and they are very likely to still match imo but if you make the offer early they might have some pause.
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Jae can't be a starter. His body barely holds up as a high minutes 6th man.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They have one, his name is Georges Niang. He shot 53% from 3 last season for the Stars.

They also have Cavanaugh, who has shot 45% and 43% from 3 in the G-League.

These guys arent rare in the G-League and it doesnt translate to being a useful player if that's all you can do.
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We want Boucher. We want Boucher.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Jae can't be a starter. His body barely holds up as a high minutes 6th man.
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Don't see this as being true, but assume it is... we can find a token stretch 4 cheaper than a great fitting backourt option imo that lines up with the age of our building blocks.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He falls off more than anyone on the team in fatigue heavy games.
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The numbers suggest the opposite is true... he's more effective/efficient as a starter throughout his career... his usage rate goes down, but TS% and other numbers go up.

When he logs 30-39 minutes he is much more efficient... might be more going on there as he might get more minutes when he has things going... but if as you suggest he falls off more than anyone on the team I'd think the numbers wouldn't be significantly better.

In the 13 games he's logged 30-39 minutes this year he averages 16/6 with a TS% of 61% in the games he's gotten 20-29 11/4 TS% of 53%

Career when getting 30-39 he is 14.4/5.6 with TS% of 58% 20-29 10/4 with TS% of 54%

Same is true as a starter... he's been significantly more effective throughout his career.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not a trade target, but I think I'm 100% in on Malcolm Brogdon. They might match any offer... but I think I'd go all the way up to his max... which is a little bananas, but I did some digging after watching him.

He is a light's out spot up 3 point shooter. He has size and can bounce between both guard positions. He shoots at the rim a lot... like almost half his shots and is finishing an obscene 66% from 0-3 feet. Don't think its a fluke either because he's done it two straight years. The only knocks I have on him is just FT rate and he doesn't have a midrange game (not a huge knock). Solid defensively... I don't think he's great there but I don't think he's negative defensive player. Would fit with both Exum and DM.

I think we can find a stretch four cheaper somewhere else and that Jae can really handle most of those minutes (I still think Royce is more of a small ball four than a wing).

It would be an OP Jr. esque overpay and they are very likely to still match imo but if you make the offer early they might have some pause.
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While I think this is worth considering, the priority for this team is the same now as it has been for about four years now: A SERIOUS GOD DAMN PLAYER AT THE 4.

Now, understanding that the Jazz don't have complete control over that outcome, finding a legit backcourt mate for Mitchell is the next priority. Which might mean it becomes the top priority by default.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The numbers suggest the opposite is true... he's more effective/efficient as a starter throughout his career... his usage rate goes down, but TS% and other numbers go up.

When he logs 30-39 minutes he is much more efficient... might be more going on there as he might get more minutes when he has things going... but if as you suggest he falls off more than anyone on the team I'd think the numbers wouldn't be significantly better.

In the 13 games he's logged 30-39 minutes this year he averages 16/6 with a TS% of 61% in the games he's gotten 20-29 11/4 TS% of 53%

Career when getting 30-39 he is 14.4/5.6 with TS% of 58% 20-29 10/4 with TS% of 54%

Same is true as a starter... he's been significantly more effective throughout his career.
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Slotting him as some off-the-bench gunner is a mistake. He's a real, winning basketball player, not some microwave scoring fluff.

Additionally, he doesn't have to necessarily play heavy minutes starting. And if you're asking me if he's better muscling up bigs and being a plus shooter as a big or chasing guys on the perimeter all game and being a sub-par shooter as a wing, I think it's obvious which role suits him better (in this league).
 
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