2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To me, the best realistic scenario is trading for Porter w/o giving up Rubio.

I would love Conley, but I think the market's going to be too hot and out of Utah's range.

 

[Eminence]

I'll still hope for the best, but I'll be really bummed if we go for Conley.

 

[Eminence]

To me, the best realistic scenario is trading for Porter w/o giving up Rubio.

I would love Conley, but I think the market's going to be too hot and out of Utah's range.

I'd rather send out Rubio and hang on to Favors. Would do either though.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Every year is a career year for him. He’s been productive every year he’s been in the league but gets better every year.

A 4 that can create his own shot, scores efficiently, is unselfish, doesn’t get injured, and is loved by his teams and organizations is not Jabari Parker.

I am not saying I prefer Jabari but a 4 that does not play defense is not worth the max unless he is an elite scorer. Harris is not an elite scorer. I dont know how Jabari's teammates feel about him nor do I know about Harris. But Parker can create and shoot. I dont know about unselfish. I would much prefer taking a risk of Jabari for a cheap deal then paying Harris the max.

I would not say he has improved every year. He has been up and down statistically. But if you believe his play this year is indicative of improved play thats fine. That is just a concern of mine.

I think Harris playing the majority of the 4 minutes only slightly improves us over Favors playing some 4 and backup 5 with Crowder getting most of the 4 minutes. Harris means losing Favors who is putting up better advanced numbers than Harris. It also means cutting Crowders minutes back. Crowder plays much better defense than Harris and his hustle is contagious.

Harris means better offense and worse defense for the Jazz.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd rather send out Rubio and hang on to Favors. Would do either though.

Favors would be playing 15-18 mpg (same with Crowder, if not less) with OPJR on the team. The Jazz need a PG from somewhere else if they trade Rubio and it doesnt make sense for the Wizards to give us Sato.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why cant it be a PG? Harden and CP3 are both PGs and do well together when healthy. Conely is a pretty elite 2 way player my only concern is that is going to start declining.

Since when is anyone that has never made an all-star game or all-NBA team elite? And the dude has a troubling injury history over the last few years. And what about switchability and size on the perimeter?

He also isn’t really in our timeline and his salary eliminates any real possibility of improving the roster.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I am not saying I prefer Jabari but a 4 that does not play defense is not worth the max unless he is an elite scorer. Harris is not an elite scorer. I dont know how Jabari's teammates feel about him nor do I know about Harris. But Parker can create and shoot. I dont know about unselfish. I would much prefer taking a risk of Jabari for a cheap deal then paying Harris the max.

I would not say he has improved every year. He has been up and down statistically. But if you believe his play this year is indicative of improved play thats fine. That is just a concern of mine.

I think Harris playing the majority of the 4 minutes only slightly improves us over Favors playing some 4 and backup 5 with Crowder getting most of the 4 minutes. Harris means losing Favors who is putting up better advanced numbers than Harris. It also means cutting Crowders minutes back. Crowder plays much better defense than Harris and his hustle is contagious.

Harris means better offense and worse defense for the Jazz.

The improvement in offense vastly outweighs the loss in defense.

Jabari Parker can’t get regular minutes on the ****ing Bulls after the team that tanked to get him basically waived him. After 2 ACL tears. And he is fat, and entitled, and proud that he doesn’t play or even value defense.

Harris is an all-star candidate.

You are completely off.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Since when is anyone that has never made an all-star game or all-NBA team elite? And the dude has a troubling injury history over the last few years. And what about switchability and size on the perimeter?

He also isn’t really in our timeline and his salary eliminates any real possibility of improving the roster.

Cap space in Free agency is of very little concern to me. The Jazz dont chase FAs often and will almost always get outbid or have a better market team make an offer. Any single player we get eliminates us from chasing FA. We dont have that much cap space and if we sign any PG including Rubio we wont have any cap space.

His age is concerning to me. His play is not. He has been very solid for a long time and a great 2 way player. He can pass, shoot, create, and is a great teammate. All-star game appearances is not a indicator for how good a player is to me.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Cap space in Free agency is of very little concern to me. The Jazz dont chase FAs often and will almost always get outbid or have a better market team make an offer. Any single player we get eliminates us from chasing FA. We dont have that much cap space and if we sign any PG including Rubio we wont have any cap space.

His age is concerning to me. His play is not. He has been very solid for a long time and a great 2 way player. He can pass, shoot, create, and is a great teammate. All-star game appearances is not a indicator for how good a player is to me.

K but you’re going to say he is an elite player and he can’t ever make an all NBA team?

I’m not saying players have to be that, but Conley isn’t an elite player.

There is more you can do with cap/flexibility than using it in free agency.

Conley would give us two really good years if we’re lucky, right as Mitchell’s deal is due, then the Jazz have nowhere to turn but luck in finding other stars.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The improvement in offense vastly outweighs the loss in defense.

Jabari Parker can’t get regular minutes on the ****ing Bulls after the team that tanked to get him basically waived him. After 2 ACL tears. And he is fat, and entitled, and proud that he doesn’t play or even value defense.

Harris is an all-star candidate.

You are completely off.

Have you watched them both play on defense recently? Harris is not a good defender. Jabari puts in more effort on that end of the court. He isnt proud of not playing defense, he was solid in the playoffs defensively last year and puts in effort. People on here took his statements completely wrong.

I agree that Harris is much better but how much better at 30+ million is he compared to a few million.

I think we drop off a decent amount defensively, we rebound worse, and the improvement on offense is not that significant. I dont see him as a 3rd star that puts us over the edge and is not a max contract player that people want to pay him.

 

[Eminence]

Favors would be playing 15-18 mpg (same with Crowder, if not less) with OPJR on the team. The Jazz need a PG from somewhere else if they trade Rubio and it doesnt make sense for the Wizards to give us Sato.

I think it'd be pretty easy to get both Favors/Crowder into the low 20's. Slight decrease for Crowder, but about where Favors is at now. Mainly cutting Royce/Korver's minutes at the 3.

Ingles 32/Crowder 16
Porter 32/Favors 8/Crowder 8
Gobert 32/ Favors 16

Guard rotation would obviously be thinner, but I think the Mitchell/Exum/Royce/Korver crew could handle it.

 

[framer]

I honestly believe that the Jazz "interest" in Conley is a smokescreen and they are trying to drive up the price for another team in order to lose a competitor for the guy they really want.

I believe the Jazz are interested in Harris, OP Jr. and Mirotic, probably in that order and would pull the trigger on whichever one comes with a reasonable offer.

Now watch them walk away with Dennis Smith Jr. . . .

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Conley would give us two really good years if we’re lucky, right as Mitchell’s deal is due, then the Jazz have nowhere to turn but luck in finding other stars.

I still think this is a positive thing.

 

[Ron Mexico]

K but you’re going to say he is an elite player and he can’t ever make an all NBA team?

I’m not saying players have to be that, but Conley isn’t an elite player.

There is more you can do with cap/flexibility than using it in free agency.

Conley would give us two really good years if we’re lucky, right as Mitchell’s deal is due, then the Jazz have nowhere to turn but luck in finding other stars.

I think he is a top 10 PG in the NBA right now, whether that is elite or not to you is arbitrary. I think he is even better in our system. He is a better shooter, creator, and defender than Rubio. I am concerned about his decline though.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Have you watched them both play on defense recently? Harris is not a good defender. Jabari puts in more effort on that end of the court. He isnt proud of not playing defense, he was solid in the playoffs defensively last year and puts in effort. People on here took his statements completely wrong.

I agree that Harris is much better but how much better at 30+ million is he compared to a few million.

I think we drop off a decent amount defensively, we rebound worse, and the improvement on offense is not that significant. I dont see him as a 3rd star that puts us over the edge and is not a max contract player that people want to pay him.

A 50/40/90 guy that scores >20 ppg at the position where shooting is most valuable, in your mind=
-hardly means anything
-is not worth a max
-is virtually the same player as the disgraced Jabari Parker

What a waste of time this was.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I still think this is a positive thing.

Sure.

It’s down the list for me. To the point that I might prefer to bakk cakk.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would prefer to chase Otto, Blake Griffin, Mirotic, Aaron Gordon over Harris. I would rather see Jabari on a vet min over Harris on a max. I might prefer Gallinari over Harris for his contract and play right away. Saric and Roco if they were available would be better choices as well to me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sure.

It’s down the list for me. To the point that I might prefer to bakk cakk.

How the tables have turned.

I just like the idea of maximizing the present contract situations of Gobert/Mitchell, then having a clear end game where new decisions/directions can be taken.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would prefer to chase Otto, Blake Griffin, Mirotic, Aaron Gordon over Harris. I would rather see Jabari on a vet min over Harris on a max. I might prefer Gallinari over Harris for his contract and play right away. Saric and Roco if they were available would be better choices as well to me.

If I knew for sure Harris would come, I'd probably choose to do nothing and sign Harris in free agency. I do think he is very good and can get better, and I think he can be a lot better defensively in Utah. I don't agree at all that he is as bad/unwilling a defender as Parker. I think he's probably like bottom 35-40 percentile and can probably be average in a good system.

 

[Ron Mexico]

A 50/40/90 guy that scores >20 ppg at the position where shooting is most valuable, in your mind=
-hardly means anything
-is not worth a max
-is virtually the same player as the disgraced Jabari Parker

What a waste of time this was.

That does not play defense, takes plays off, and is a poor rebounder.

Also he isnt a 50/40/90 player and I dont think that position is the most important for shooting. I think PG/SG/SF are all more important for shooting.

No, he is not virtually the same player as Jabari. He is better than Jabari but I think Jabari still has a lot of upside. ALso Harris at max compared to Jabari at a vet min or even MLE type deal is what I am comparing. If money was equal Harris would be an easy choice. We could still chase a big name with Jabari. With Harris we are set for big contracts and cant get anyone else.