2019 trade deadline discussion

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I think Burks will have a bigger role than anticipated. He played very well in the playoffs. He is healthy now and score. Maybe this is the year he comes the 6th man role we all expected from him. Either way I expect him to be the backup 2 guard unless we trade him.

I don't see this happening at all. I don't think there's any way he's in the rotation unless we have injuries again. We didn't have minutes for him last year when everyone was healthy, so who's minutes is he going to take this year? It would probably have to be either Exum or O'Neal, and if anything I think those two will get more minutes than last season, not less.

 

[LoPo]

I'd prefer to try and sign a star rather than help another team get one.

If we can help NY get KD away from Golden State, that's perfectly fine by me.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

If Rubio continues his hot play, I think he is in the long term plans. He fits the Jazz so well because he takes pressure off of Mitchell.

I don’t thing guards are the target at all. But if we did trade for a ball dominant guard like Lillard, I don’t think Mitchell would have any problem playing off the ball. He already plays off ball with Rubio.

I think the real target is still a shooting big who will spread the floor for Mitchell/Rubio to work, and space better with Gobert.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I don't see this happening at all. I don't think there's any way he's in the rotation unless we have injuries again. We didn't have minutes for him last year when everyone was healthy, so who's minutes is he going to take this year? It would probably have to be either Exum or O'Neal, and if anything I think those two will get more minutes than last season, not less.

He does not have to take either. I see Exum as a PG primarily and will get most of his minutes behind Rubio. I see O'neil getting plenty of time behind Ingles at the 3. Although Sef and Crowder might take some of those minutes but I see them as the backup for the 4. I could see Royce and Dante getting minutes at the 2 but not as much as the other spots. Plus Burks could see some time at SF as well.

I agree we didnt have minutes for Burks. He wasnt really in the rotation for a good chunk of the season. But he played very well in the playoffs once he got minutes in game 6 vs OKC and played a decent role against Houstson. That is the reason I think he will get more burn this year unless we trade him but a trade is unlikely to happen until the deadline. Plus he has been very involved with the team and Mitchell and the others seem to like him and value him. Last year he was coming off his 3rd year in a row of being injured. He got the rust shook off, he got healthy, and is now ready to get a bigger role. That role could be with another team but if not I think Snyder will find a use for him more than last year.

 

[TheStormofWar]

I mean I disagree with the notion that expiring and role players even touch the asset allocation Boston can offer. When you trade a superstar, you ideally you get star potential back whether in current young players or valuable draft picks. I'd say Boston, Philly, LA, and many others whose own picks will be high, have us beat 100% of the time, even with another mid-first round pick.

I prefer to roll the dice of FA, even with no historical precedent. I think our team is good enough as constructed and could be appealing enough to make it happen. I at least like the chances much more than somehow outbidding those teams.

Fair enough. Never hurts to take a shot within reason (i.e. not cutting Rubio or Favors unless we get a wink-nod).

 

[Getting Traded]

He does not have to take either. I see Exum as a PG primarily and will get most of his minutes behind Rubio. I see O'neil getting plenty of time behind Ingles at the 3. Although Sef and Crowder might take some of those minutes but I see them as the backup for the 4. I could see Royce and Dante getting minutes at the 2 but not as much as the other spots. Plus Burks could see some time at SF as well.

I agree we didnt have minutes for Burks. He wasnt really in the rotation for a good chunk of the season. But he played very well in the playoffs once he got minutes in game 6 vs OKC and played a decent role against Houstson. That is the reason I think he will get more burn this year unless we trade him but a trade is unlikely to happen until the deadline. Plus he has been very involved with the team and Mitchell and the others seem to like him and value him. Last year he was coming off his 3rd year in a row of being injured. He got the rust shook off, he got healthy, and is now ready to get a bigger role. That role could be with another team but if not I think Snyder will find a use for him more than last year.

I hope so. He was my favorite Jazz player until Rudy emerged.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I'm all in on trying to get Tobias Harris at the Deadline. A trio of Harris/Favors/Gobert at the 4/5 would be awesome. He is the best player available from a team I see likely on the outside of the playoffs at the deadline. If they don't like their chances of resigning him, a first and expiring contracts may get it done. Getting him at the deadline allows the Jazz to see what they have with him/Favors/Gobert before next season, and resign him going over the cap being able to keep Rubio and Favors for 2019.

Of the FA in 2019, Jimmy Butler is my favorite. He would be an amazing fit for the Jazz. Great defender. Great scorer and shooter. Can guard 3-4 positions. May not be as great of a fit as Paul George because you aren't likely to play Butler at PF, but he would be able to fit in as a starter at SF no question alongside DM, Rubio and the rest of the gang. I don't know if he'd even consider the Jazz, but I don't feel like he's talked about enough with the 2019 class that is coming up. I'd personally take him over Thompson.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm all in on trying to get Tobias Harris at the Deadline. A trio of Harris/Favors/Gobert at the 4/5 would be awesome. He is the best player available from a team I see likely on the outside of the playoffs at the deadline. If they don't like their chances of resigning him, a first and expiring contracts may get it done. Getting him at the deadline allows the Jazz to see what they have with him/Favors/Gobert before next season, and resign him going over the cap being able to keep Rubio and Favors for 2019.

Of the FA in 2019, Jimmy Butler is my favorite. He would be an amazing fit for the Jazz. Great defender. Great scorer and shooter. Can guard 3-4 positions. May not be as great of a fit as Paul George because you aren't likely to play Butler at PF, but he would be able to fit in as a starter at SF no question alongside DM, Rubio and the rest of the gang. I don't know if he'd even consider the Jazz, but I don't feel like he's talked about enough with the 2019 class that is coming up. I'd personally take him over Thompson.

I think if we got Harris it means Favs is gone.

I'm out on Butler personally... I think too many years playing for Thibs teams will leave him a shell of himself and on a multiyear close to max deal that could be a millstone. Would wait to see how this year plays out, but I think his knee injury last year is a foreshadow of things to come.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm telling you guys right now, we are bringing Favors and Rubio back for 2019/20 unless one has a major injury (I hope not). And we aren't in the market for Klay or any major free agent in 2019.

Our best bet for a substantial addition prior to 2020 would be Tobias Harris. It would have to be so delicate though. He would have to want us AND both he and Favors would have to be on board with sharing time. I think it would be possible via trade at the deadline should we have a front court injury or something (which I dont want of course).

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You can’t tell us that though cause you don’t know.

I bet you would have told us that pg13 wouldn’t re sign with okc too. (I would have told you that he wouldn’t)

With Donovan, Rudy and quin anything is possible.

 

[LoPo]

You can’t tell us that though cause you don’t know.

I bet you would have told us that pg13 wouldn’t re sign with okc too. (I would have told you that he wouldn’t)

With Donovan, Rudy and quin anything is possible.

Well everything said on here is opinion or reaction. My opinion is that we will keep the team intact. Donovan is the franchise and he loves Favors and Rubio. Both of those guys are starters. In order to get a star, one or both of those guys have to go. I just don't see it.

We gave Favors the hometown thank you contract. He will play that out and we will probably part ways with him in 2020. If we don't, it's because he becomes our Haslem. He takes a lesser role and money to be part of franchise history and lore.

Like somebody said, Rubio doesn't fit in many places in the league. But he fits here and he's Donovan's guy. Once again, I don't see a reason why we dump him in 12 months.

I'm not trying to predict the league. I'm just trying to maximize every opportunity which is attainable. I have zero faith in our ability to sign a superstar in 2019. That's not a knock against our sales team, that's an indication about the current "superstars" who will be available in 2019. Just don't see a perfect fit.

 

[Ron Mexico]

We are not taking salary dumps for picks. Im not sure why those still are getting suggested as trade ideas. We are in win mode.

 

[LoPo]

We are not taking salary dumps for picks. Im not sure why those still are getting suggested as trade ideas. We are in win mode.

Do we need Burks to win?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Favors is better and will prove to be better this year than Tobias Harris. Favors is only 1 year older than Harris. Favors is also a better fit for our team. Harris is a much better 3 point shooter but that is all.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Do we need Burks to win?

Taking on salary dumps.

No, we dont need him. Although I think he could still be a good complimentary piece. But we are not tying up our cap space with a long term contract for another player that does not help us win just for some crap pick. We will trade for a player that helps us win and will keep flexibility open while we look for that or just keep our guys that are getting close enough to compete in the next couple years.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Favors is better and will prove to be better this year than Tobias Harris. Favors is only 1 year older than Harris. Favors is also a better fit for our team. Harris is a much better 3 point shooter but that is all.

Yeah, but with better coaching and a better team concept, how much better could Harris get on the Jazz?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yeah, but with better coaching and a better team concept, how much better could Harris get on the Jazz?

Maybe he could be better. But I never see him becoming as good as Favors on defense, rim protection, rebounding, screens, and physical strength. But he is a better shooter and he can handle the ball better. Both of them offer positional flexibility the same just different positions. Favors adds so much to our team that isnt in the stats and doesnt get as much recognition. I have a hard time believing Harris is an upgrade to Favors and if he is its nominal because we definitely would get worse in some areas.

 

[LoPo]

Replacing Favors with Harris isn't the championship formula. Adding Harris to Favors might be. All depends on if those guys want to sacrifice for a shot at a title.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Maybe he could be better. But I never see him becoming as good as Favors on defense, rim protection, rebounding, screens, and physical strength. But he is a better shooter and he can handle the ball better. Both of them offer positional flexibility the same just different positions. Favors adds so much to our team that isnt in the stats and doesnt get as much recognition. I have a hard time believing Harris is an upgrade to Favors and if he is its nominal because we definitely would get worse in some areas.

I'd like to see them both on the team to be honest, which is why it would be nice to have him at the trade deadline to see if its worth extending Harris and picking up Favors option.

Edit: Or basically what LoPo said.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Replacing Favors with Harris isn't the championship formula. Adding Harris to Favors might be. All depends on if those guys want to sacrifice for a shot at a title.

I'd like to see them both on the team to be honest, which is why it would be nice to have him at the trade deadline to see if its worth extending Harris and picking up Favors option.

Edit: Or basically what LoPo said.

I agree that adding him would be a good rotation of bigs to have. There are players I would prefer over Harris but I guess he would be okay. I would rather take a chance on Jabari. Who is just as good already and potential to be better than him. Jabari might be had for less money as well, who knows.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I agree that adding him would be a good rotation of bigs to have. There are players I would prefer over Harris but I guess he would be okay. I would rather take a chance on Jabari. Who is just as good already and potential to be better than him. Jabari might be had for less money as well, who knows.

This is the trade deadline thread, and I doubt Parker could be had at the deadline. I'd like Mirotic as well, but NO isn't going to trade him at the deadline either