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2020 Free Agency Thread

NUMBERICA said:
This organization is run by clowns.
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I agree with this but to say it over the Rayjon Tucker moves, thats taking it too far.... I think ppl become a bit too attatched to players Utah's just 'taking a flyer on' (fringe guys) and Tucker would qualify for that..
 
KqWIN said:


Jazz mentioned here. Between GR3 and Batum interest, looks like the Jazz are going to try to fill the last spot with a real player.
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Well if its those 4 teams.... I'd imagine the Kings are the high bidders and the playoff squads are trying to get him to take the minimum...
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Just an FYI... the next 7 years we are -4 in second round picks. Not the end of the worl but when we want to trade for a vet on an expiring we aren’t going to have the capital to do it. Also if we want to dump a contract we gonna be strapped. If they plan on buying them every draft night great... but using one to dump like 300-400k of guaranteed salary is kinda silly... we got some cash in the deal so that’s great... for Ryan. We should just ****ing trade Mike and get all the way out of the tax... I think we are barely in it by a millionish or so.
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Yes we should trade Mike....
 
Lord Bullingdon said:
I agree with this but to say it over the Rayjon Tucker moves, thats taking it too far.... I think ppl become a bit too attatched to players Utah's just 'taking a flyer on' (fringe guys) and Tucker would qualify for that..
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No one is to attached to Tucker they are foolishly bothered by giving away marginal assets such as second round picks. People need to realize the jazz can acquire 2end rounders whenever they want so who gives a **** if they use these picks to dump $, and they have a deep history of acquiring seconds.
 
Bodhi said:
Yes we should trade Mike....
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I wouldn’t hate a trade of Mike, but I’m not sure the jazz would get the value we would expect. He might be more valuable being on this team. With all the money that will be put on the books with DM, and Rudy extensions they may see Conley as more valuable having that money come of the books. I’m not any kind of cap guru, so tell me if this is wrong. I’m thinking how the jazz org may be thinking.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I wouldn’t hate a trade of Mike, but I’m not sure the jazz would get the value we would expect. He might be more valuable being on this team. With all the money that will be put on the books with DM, and Rudy extensions they may see Conley as more valuable having that money come of the books. I’m not any kind of cap guru, so tell me if this is wrong. I’m thinking how the jazz org may be thinking.
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Either am I but I’m almost certain that when Mike expires we will still be over the cap and will just have exceptions to spend like we would anyway. We aren’t opening up $35m in cap space.
 
I just wish the Jazz would trade Mike to a team where he's a better fit. It would be good for both parties. How they do that though seems to be the problem. Will they get back equal value. Highly unlikely, but in my opinion it's addition by subtraction to trade him for assets and maybe a good role player that fits the Jazz's needs.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
No one is to attached to Tucker they are foolishly bothered by giving away marginal assets such as second round picks. People need to realize the jazz can acquire 2end rounders whenever they want so who gives a **** if they use these picks to dump $, and they have a deep history of acquiring seconds.
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Give away enough marginal assets and it becomes an issue. Those marginal assets are used for better purposes... like getting good basketball players. Using a bunch of them to save Ryan money is not ideal. We can’t buy them whenever either. Most of the time we can but we only have a certain amount each year we can use in trades.

It’s just weird that we are far enough away from getting out of the tax that these minor moves won’t do it... so we sent a pick rather than just biting the bullet on what would have been like 1M in savings? We have to carry 14 regular contracts so we can’t completely duck the tax. So we start the repeater clock to be like 1M in the tax and miss out on a luxury tax payment of 5-6M. It just smells like really poor planning. Save 1-2 M on Favs and JC and you can duck the tax... cut NWG and buy the 59th pick in the draft and the cap savings might be enough.

They are all over the place and it’s a terrible sign for where things are headed.
 
Bodhi said:
Either am I but I’m almost certain that when Mike expires we will still be over the cap and will just have exceptions to spend like we would anyway. We aren’t opening up $35m in cap space.
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He walks at year end after we bend over backwards to make him a starter and go away from our lineups with ideal size.

I just need us to do stuff that makes sense and is consistent...
 
I was thinking yesterday that the energy to keep complaining about the FO had about run it's course.

Guess I was wrong. Must be drawing from an inexhaustible well.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Give away enough marginal assets and it becomes an issue. Those marginal assets are used for better purposes... like getting good basketball players. Using a bunch of them to save Ryan money is not ideal. We can’t buy them whenever either. Most of the time we can but we only have a certain amount each year we can use in trades.

It’s just weird that we are far enough away from getting out of the tax that these minor moves won’t do it... so we sent a pick rather than just biting the bullet on what would have been like 1M in savings? We have to carry 14 regular contracts so we can’t completely duck the tax. So we start the repeater clock to be like 1M in the tax and miss out on a luxury tax payment of 5-6M. It just smells like really poor planning. Save 1-2 M on Favs and JC and you can duck the tax... cut NWG and buy the 59th pick in the draft and the cap savings might be enough.

They are all over the place and it’s a terrible sign for where things are headed.
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Wait..... has this been totally confirmed? After all of these shenanigans we are still over the tax line? And there’s no apparent move that’ll get us under that line?
 
idiot said:
I was thinking yesterday that the energy to keep complaining about the FO had about run it's course.

Guess I was wrong. Must be drawing from an inexhaustible well.
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Well when they do weird stuff continuously I will complain... continuously.
 
idiot said:
I was thinking yesterday that the energy to keep complaining about the FO had about run it's course.

Guess I was wrong. Must be drawing from an inexhaustible well.
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If we’re dumping these assets and still yet remain over the tax line, then there’s definitely plenty of legit bitching to do.

Not to mention the apparent delay in Rudy’s extension.
 
FAILED STATE said:
Wait..... has this been totally confirmed? After all of these shenanigans we are still over the tax line? And there’s no apparent move that’ll get us under that line?
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Basically. I think we end up 1 million or so over the tax. The final numbers on JC and Favs deals aren’t known but Jordan almost has to start at 11.6 and it’s assumed Favs got full MLE.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Give away enough marginal assets and it becomes an issue. Those marginal assets are used for better purposes... like getting good basketball players. Using a bunch of them to save Ryan money is not ideal. We can’t buy them whenever either. Most of the time we can but we only have a certain amount each year we can use in trades.

It’s just weird that we are far enough away from getting out of the tax that these minor moves won’t do it... so we sent a pick rather than just biting the bullet on what would have been like 1M in savings? We have to carry 14 regular contracts so we can’t completely duck the tax. So we start the repeater clock to be like 1M in the tax and miss out on a luxury tax payment of 5-6M. It just smells like really poor planning. Save 1-2 M on Favs and JC and you can duck the tax... cut NWG and buy the 59th pick in the draft and the cap savings might be enough.

They are all over the place and it’s a terrible sign for where things are headed.
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We could have saved $5M on OPJ. We could have saved 80% of the Favors money while getting 85% of the benefit. We tend to spend real big in unnecessary areas that give us significantly diminishing returns, while trying to nickel and dime other areas that will give us much more traction.

The most frustrating part of this is how it gets sold as not being bad moves because you can look at things dichotomously as being good/bad, rather than looking at the whole picture. You could go buy a new Tesla, and it’s a good car, but it may have blown your budget. To top it off you’re really only using it as a commuter car. You like going out to eat with your buddies at lunch but have to cut back on that because, well, Tesla. You could have bought your neighbor’s Corolla and eaten out every day. But, dude, it’s a Tesla!!1
 
Our salary is likely 134.5M and luxury tax is 132.7. So really no single move that gets us out of the tax. I believe we have to carry 14 regular contracts. So the deal with Rayjon saved like 1M in actual cash while giving away a second and getting some cash.
Why start the repeater tax now? Why not get Favs for a little less? Why not go to the handful of other good options that would cost less.
Something just doesn’t smell right... either there is some big shoe that drops or we suck at planning? I’ll let you decide which.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Basically. I think we end up 1 million or so over the tax. The final numbers on JC and Favs deals aren’t known but Jordan almost has to start at 11.6 and it’s assumed Favs got full MLE.
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If we end up in the tax, I'll agree that the moves have been shortsighted and poorly planned in a bid to save too small a bit of money. But, as you say, we don't know this for sure yet. If we make it below the tax, I'll understand (and probably agree with) the motivation.

Unfortunately, we won't know where this stands until several months from now. Until then, I don't think it's worth the energy to get that worked up, but that's just my viewpoint.
 
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