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idiot said:
I'm having a hard time understanding why the presence or absence of alcohol should make a difference in how we look at this.
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If anything it makes the decision to bring his friend the gun even more concerning imo. People should have more sense than to bring their drunk friends a firearm. The idea that Miller was just trying to be a good friend or teammate here is baffling to me.
 
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KqWIN said:
I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".
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I was more naming names to say I'm not worried about finding him a partner on the perimeter to do more direct creation.

The label doesn't matter to me much but I think you are drawing some lines that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. Like he might just initiate the offense and sit in the corner on some possessions I guess. But right now he runs all the initial actions for Arkansas and I think you can have a guy that blends and runs actions while not being the primary creator. He could be a super connector like Joe Ingles. Joe doesn't fit a strict 3 and D type he also isn't fully a pg. Joe obviously a much better shooter but I think Black will be great running pick and roll and being in the middle of ball movement.

I'm hoping with better players around him and actual spacing the scoring and assists increase. He draws a fair amount of fouls and has opportunities to look for his shot but seems more interested in driving to pass. I don't think he really has issues creating I think he is a bit too unselfish. A lot of it is eye test in actually watching him... and I haven't watched a lot of the other guys in full games. I think I'm probably a bit too dug in on him so I'm biased... but he's a guy I'm riding with in this draft.
 
Zombie said:
If anything it makes the decision to bring his friend the gun even more concerning imo. People should have more sense than to bring their drunk friends a firearm. The idea that Miller was just trying to be a good friend or teammate here is baffling to me.
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They act like his buddy was cold and was like "bruh can you bring me my hoody?"

Hey we are out drinking can you bring me my gun... like I'm not going to ask a follow up or say... hey can I get it to you tomorrow?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away
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Wait... park so they can't go through the main exit... but they could still get out some other way... so its no biggie... we will flash our guns to scare these punks after ****ing cornering them... whats the worst that can happen... no thought that maybe they might feel threatened and act appropriately? Its silly drunk pranks... nbd!!!

Or his buddies are moron trouble makers (harassing a woman and her BF) then calling a buddy to bring them a gun and he parks to block their primary exit... buddy comes with said gun and parks the car. If Miller thinks they are in danger thats some weird *** behavior... wouldn't he park normal and tell them the gun is in the car and bounce?

Maybe its a series of really just the dumbest decision making possible (I mean is miller also drunk and driving?). Or maybe he's not quite as innocent as you think.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They act like his buddy was cold and was like "bruh can you bring me my hoody?"

Hey we are out drinking can you bring me my gun... like I'm not going to ask a follow up or say... hey can I get it to you tomorrow?
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From the story Miller was the DD that night and the gun was just in the backseat.

Also, from the report it said the victim's car at one point left the area, came back and parked and turned their lights off. IN another report the victim's car says they did that because they were waiting for their food. . I can understand the potential paranoia that this all can cause. Not excusing it, as it seems like it was mostly self-inflicted, but I can see the situation in my mind and how it would be difficult to navigate.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The crowd is his teammate. The guy who shot at the car and hit the woman is the teammate's friend (this is me putting two and two together seeing as they are both from the Maryland area, could be wrong).

The gun was owned by the teammate, not Miller, Miller brought the gun to the teammate upon request, then the teammate gave the gun to the person who did the shooting.

The situation is being reported as these two guys (not Brandon Miller) trying to talk to this woman, her rejecting them, then some kind of confrontation between the two guys and the woman's boyfriend (who had a gun), Miller/Bradley bring the gun and park at the exits (which this is somehow blocking them in, but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away despite the wording making it seem that way. Then shots happened and the woman is dead. That's what really makes this a story because a young woman died who should not have been in the middle of what was probably the result of toxic drunk masculinity.


Sounds like stupid drunk people with guns doing stupid drunk things and Brandon Miller got sucked into trying to help a teammate not die. I'm not a lawyer so I dont know if Miller did anything against the law. Is bringing a gun to the gun's owner illegal? Can you be an accessory to murder/manslaughter/whatever it is if you gave the gun to someone who then gave the gun to someone else? Certainly hope Miller learns from this, but your teammate/friend tells you they are in trouble and they need their gun it's going to be a hard thing for someone to say no to, especially if they feel some sort of loyalty towards the person (a teammate).
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What in the hell is wrong with you? If a friend or family member asks you to bring them a gun because they are in trouble then you tell them to call the cops. Bringing a guy a gun is great way to deescalate the situation you idiot. I swear sometimes you go out of your way to say stupid stuff just to get attention.
 
sip said:
What in the hell is wrong with you? If a friend or family member asks you to bring them a gun because they are in trouble then you tell them to call the cops. Bringing a guy a gun is great way to deescalate the situation you idiot. I swear sometimes you go out of your way to say stupid stuff just to get attention.
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If I'm white I probably call the cops. If I'm young black african american with alcohol and guns involved, I wouldnt even dream of calling Alabama police.
 
YoungJefe said:
The police don't charge him, the program doesn't discipline him, yet he's guilty on JF.
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From all the reporting Miller didnt really do anything other than park by the exit and give a gun owner his gun.

Some of the reporting is framed and worded in a way on purpose, but it isn't necessarily factual. Miller/Bradley parking by the exit might be blocking the exit or might just be they didnt want to be near the other car and wanted a quick get away from whatever was going on.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
From all the reporting Miller didnt really do anything other than park by the exit and give a gun owner his gun.

Some of the reporting is framed and worded in a way on purpose, but it isn't necessarily factual. Miller/Bradley parking by the exit might be blocking the exit or might just be they didnt want to be near the other car and wanted a quick get away from whatever was going on.
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Miller parked his car in the line of fire and almost got shot, doubt that was his plan.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
From the story Miller was the DD that night and the gun was just in the backseat.

Also, from the report it said the victim's car at one point left the area, came back and parked and turned their lights off. IN another report the victim's car says they did that because they were waiting for their food. . I can understand the potential paranoia that this all can cause. Not excusing it, as it seems like it was mostly self-inflicted, but I can see the situation in my mind and how it would be difficult to navigate.
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I don't see that anywhere. The account I saw was the two players walked away from the jeep and then came back... there were two cars blocking its path (one was Miller's). The stuff the dude yelled do not strike me as paranoia... they are warnings "you don't know what I do". If they were paranoid they had a chance to leave the situation pretty damn easily... they chose to escalate it.

They acted like assholes... someone didn't like it... they wanted to further bully this dude and he tried to protect himself. How much Miller knew... ehhhh who knows. But painting him as a good buddy just trying to help these guys protect themselves is beyond rich. He likely hung around them long enough to know how they roll.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
From all the reporting Miller didnt really do anything other than park by the exit and give a gun owner his gun.

Some of the reporting is framed and worded in a way on purpose, but it isn't necessarily factual. Miller/Bradley parking by the exit might be blocking the exit or might just be they didnt want to be near the other car and wanted a quick get away from whatever was going on.
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YoungJefe said:
Miller parked his car in the line of fire and almost got shot, doubt that was his plan.
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You guys are right... this dude with his girlfriend was likely targeting them and Miller got there just at the right time to make sure they could defend themselves. If he really was trying to stay out of the way why bring a gun to your buddies at 2 AM... just tell them you will pick them up and leave. Why park somewhere you can quickly get away... drop off a loaded weapon to your homies and hope to escape right after... if you think its THAT dangerous wouldn't the best self defense be a quick pickup?

Or his buddies were acting like idiots... he helped them act like idiots... and someone got scared and did something they did not expect and a tragic death occurred.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You guys are right... this dude with his girlfriend was likely targeting them and Miller got there just at the right time to make sure they could defend themselves. If he really was trying to stay out of the way why bring a gun to your buddies at 2 AM... just tell them you will pick them up and leave. Why park somewhere you can quickly get away... drop off a loaded weapon to your homies and hope to escape right after... if you think its THAT dangerous wouldn't the best self defense be a quick pickup?

Or his buddies were acting like idiots... he helped them act like idiots... and someone got scared and did something they did not expect and a tragic death occurred.
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Because there is a car there with a gun who is potentially (in their minds) waiting to follow them.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If I'm white I probably call the cops. If I'm young black african american with alcohol and guns involved, I wouldnt even dream of calling Alabama police.
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1000% this. There is some massive lack of understanding of how a large portion of this country lives and interacts with the police in this thread. "Just call the police" is a wild over simplification and makes me sad honestly.
 
The whole they felt threatened because they had parked the car with the lights out is just hilarious... because their effing hazards were on...

In the video shown in court, the Jeep can be seen with its headlamps off and hazard lights flashing as it was parked along the curb near the intersection of Grace Street and University Boulevard.

If you are trying to get the jump on someone the way to do it is throw the lights on that bring the most attention to the car.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because there is a car there with a gun who is potentially (in their minds) waiting to follow them.
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Okay... so best to go wild west and engage them... or were they too drunk to process that... but not simultaneously too drunk to process the presence of danger.

Miller's role here may not be something they ever prosecute but if he is innocent of anything sinister then he is guilty of some of the dumbest judgement possible.
 
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