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whatthe said:
Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
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Kobe will go in the teens… mock drafts are still catching up
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Essentially a lot of the top freshman underperformed so you are getting a lot of less valued pre-season prospects performing better by statistical analysis. I wouldnt take Locke's first impression as gospel, he isnt meaning it to be that way.
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I listened to this, and it drove me nuts because there’s still a learning curve as a freshman where Sophs. Jr’s seniors have gone through it. Locke is weird.
 
whatthe said:
He declared. That bounce is fantastic - he's a walking Nike commercial. Our defense would be superb but the offense would be a slight struggle. If he could develop he would be a dream come true.
View: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1649054895109181451?cxt=HHwWlsDQ4ZSsz-ItAAAA
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Article confirms he developed as a guard, and it shows on the court. Apparently was only 5’11 when he was 16 to being 6’8 as an 18 year old now. Definition of a late bloomer and I love that.
 
whatthe said:
Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
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It's easy for any team to find players. The Jazz had more than 20 guys on their active roster this past season. The name of the game is to find Stars. The players at the top of the draft are the ones who are perceived to have the most star potential. They tend to be younger and less developed.

Shaedon Sharpe had no college stats whatsoever, got drafted at #7 and was a good pick for Portland.
 
KqWIN said:
Article confirms he developed as a guard, and it shows on the court. Apparently was only 5’11 when he was 16 to being 6’8 as an 18 year old now. Definition of a late bloomer and I love that.
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He was 6’-6” like 15 minutes ago… confirmed … he is the French Giannis. Will be close to 7’ by summer league.
 
whatthe said:
He declared. That bounce is fantastic - he's a walking Nike commercial. Our defense would be superb but the offense would be a slight struggle. If he could develop he would be a dream come true.
View: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1649054895109181451?cxt=HHwWlsDQ4ZSsz-ItAAAA
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Wonder if there's any possible scenario where the Jazz get all 3 French wings.

Bilal at 9 (he seems to be the most likely to have a big rise)

Rupert at 16 (he's consistenly been inside most mocks in the 15-20 range).

Sidy at 28 (could be too late for him, but his draft position has been all over the place)
 
whatthe said:
Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
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i agree with him to an extent, but every draft is like that. OADs usually don't perform as well as a lot of second year guys and beyond. the get drafted higher based on what their perceived potential is. locke is hyper focused on production, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he's ignoring the role potential plays into draft slot.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not really that weird. This year's freshman class performed unusually poor.
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that is interesting. in comparison to past year's freshmen - in terms of overall classes, can we see some numbers? there are always going to be one offs like Brandon Miller being SEC player of the year, Marvin Bagley's dominance his frosh season, Zion, etc - but if overall as a class this year's group was worse it would be interesting to see those comparisons.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
that is interesting. in comparison to past year's freshmen, can we see some numbers?
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Do you really need numbers? I think it's pretty apparent. I wouldnt know how to exactly quantify it with stats.

Who was the best Freshman (not necessarily best prospect, but performed well in college) this year (in the draft) after Brandon Miller? Which Freshman really took their team far in the Tourney? Where any of these Freshman the best players on their team?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do you really need numbers? I think it's pretty apparent. I wouldnt know how to exactly quantify it with stats.

Who was the best Freshman (not necessarily best prospect, but performed well in college) this year (in the draft) after Brandon Miller? Which Freshman really took their team far in the Tourney? Where any of these Freshman the best players on their team?
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i wouldn't know how to quantify it either. i sorta assumed you saw something somewhere.

i'd say that's normal for OADs. look at anthony edwards. patrick williams. cole anthony. scottie barnes. Zaire Williams. jalen johnson, jeremy sochan. jalen duren, lamelo in australia. - these guys weren't exactly dominating people and putting up huge stats or leading their team to great heights. it's entirely normal for OADs to struggle from a stats perspective and to have trouble leading their team far in the tournament.
 
Bodhi said:
He's a "fast riser" for me for sure. A LOT to like!
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I'm still kind of cautious on him. Obviously the tools are crazy, but it's not like he was clearly out performing Sidy or Rupert when they played together at the U18 games last summer. Has Bilal really taken that much of a jump over them?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i wouldn't know how to quantify it either. i sorta assumed you saw something somewhere.

i'd say that's normal for OADs. look at anthony edwards. patrick williams. cole anthony. scottie barnes. Zaire Williams. jalen johnson, jeremy sochan. jalen duren, lamelo in australia. - these guys weren't exactly dominating people and putting up huge stats or leading their team to great heights. it's entirely normal for OADs to struggle from a stats perspective and to have trouble leading their team far in the tournament.
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Is that the case?

Last year Holmgren, Banchero, and Smith were all incredible as Freshman.
 
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