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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think his defense, passing and scoring will translate. The question for me is whether he's impactful enough to be a lead guard. Then what does he look like if the ball isn't in his hands? Can he mature and be a high-impact starter? I could easily see him be a 6th man like a Jordan Clarkson or Jet Terry. He should have a very high floor at least.

I think there's going to be a vigorous debate about NSJ v. Keyonte. Those guys may be close, even though NSJ was originally thought to be the higher level prospect coming into the season.
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There is no debate for me. Give me Nick Smith all day over Keyonte and I expect the gap to become far more evident as the season goes on. I'm actually not a fan of Keyonte until outside the lottery.
 
sip said:
It sucks that they chose to play in that league rather than going to college. Seems like a stupid decision. The same goes for Jaden Hardy last year. If he plays college ball I'm confident he goes lottery.
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Ausar will be fine. Watch him go top 8.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Ausar will be fine. Watch him go top 8.
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It probably won't effect either Amen or Ausars draft stock that much but I just hate the fact that we don't get to see them play college ball. The same goes for me with Scoot but since he chose to dropout of highschool rather than reclassify and graduate early It was pretty much his only option to play ball last year without going overseas.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:

View: https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1600683537987825664



View: https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1600666039305396224
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That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
 
HermanG said:
That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
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He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
 
HermanG said:
That video by Whitmore... its funny how sometimes stupid decissions are awarded by cheers if the result turns out good. The putback dunk was awesome, but that drive was a dumb *** play. In NBA, that would have resulted in awkward handflailing while lying on the ground and not getting a call.

Even the commentators calling him "slicing through the defense" was just hilarious for the fact that he absolutely did not.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
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Also if you watch enough college basketball you would know how incredibly congested the paint is... very few drives end up looking super clean. NBA spacing is a real thing.

I love what I've seen from Whitmore thus far. Definitely top 5 guy for me (remember I have 12 top 5 guys).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He drove the ball man. How is that a dumb decision? He's got a size/strength advantage and he used it.
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First off, you have to excuse me since I dont get to watch that much college ball. Thats why I dont usually discuss in this thread. I do enjoy you, Mello, HH and others discuss these kids and watch most of the clips.

Secondly, your post suggests driving the ball against smaller defenders cannot be a dumb decission, yet following things are all true:
1) He missed his initial shot
2) If #22 of Penn has better defensive fundamentals, he draws a charge there easily
3) Whitmore needed a good bounce to get that putback chance. Not like he played it off the backboard on purpose

But if what @Handlogten's Heros said is true and they all hang out in the paint and thats the way of the world in college, then I guess its ok. You are correct that 1 on 1 that defender had 0 chance to stop him, but the moment he was doubled was the moment he could have made a better decision. I will still stand by my words, and do not like that play in NBA context. (or the fact that commentators were way off base with their "slicing through defenders" remark)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also if you watch enough college basketball you would know how incredibly congested the paint is... very few drives end up looking super clean. NBA spacing is a real thing.

I love what I've seen from Whitmore thus far. Definitely top 5 guy for me (remember I have 12 top 5 guys).
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I trust you guys in your assessments. No matter how many top 5 guys you got.

I guess I'm more of a finesse and strategic basketball guy than a power basketball guy. I do like a good slam, including that one in the end. But the stuff leading up to the slam.... not my cup of tea.
 
HermanG said:
First off, you have to excuse me since I dont get to watch that much college ball. Thats why I dont usually discuss in this thread. I do enjoy you, Mello, HH and others discuss these kids and watch most of the clips.

Secondly, your post suggests driving the ball against smaller defenders cannot be a dumb decission, yet following things are all true:
1) He missed his initial shot
2) If #22 of Penn has better defensive fundamentals, he draws a charge there easily
3) Whitmore needed a good bounce to get that putback chance. Not like he played it off the backboard on purpose

But if what @Handlogten's Heros said is true and they all hang out in the paint and thats the way of the world in college, then I guess its ok. You are correct that 1 on 1 that defender had 0 chance to stop him, but the moment he was doubled was the moment he could have made a better decision. I will still stand by my words, and do not like that play in NBA context. (or the fact that commentators were way off base with their "slicing through defenders" remark)
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You're missing the forest for the trees my man. No player has 100% success rate for drives. The impressive part is he drives, gets contact, maintains balance through the contact, gets a good shot off, then has the ability to recover and quickly jump.

When he gets in the NBA you'll teach him to kick to the corner shooter or in the NBA the corner shooter's man will be staying home and he will have a much easier time driving. Either way, the play was impressive.

Now, if over the course of the season you see him constantly driving in traffic and throwing up bad shots and it's a pattern where he can never see the pass or get a better shot, that's a different thing. But this play isnt about that. It's about his physical abilities.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You're missing the forest for the trees my man. No player has 100% success rate for drives. The impressive part is he drives, gets contact, maintains balance through the contact, gets a good shot off, then has the ability to recover and quickly jump.

When he gets in the NBA you'll teach him to kick to the corner shooter or in the NBA the corner shooter's man will be staying home and he will have a much easier time driving. Either way, the play was impressive.

Now, if over the course of the season you see him constantly driving in traffic and throwing up bad shots and it's a pattern where he can never see the pass or get a better shot, that's a different thing. But this play isnt about that. It's about his physical abilities.
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I see. As I said, I trust you in your judgement with these guys, since I don't watch enough college hoops so I always kinda move that stuff directly to NBA context.

I will just leave critical scouting for the more experienced ones like yourself, and stick to applauding good plays.
 
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