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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

seattlejazzfan said:
that basically means i hardly differ at all. because after those first four tiers it becomes so convoluted and opinions can change pretty much day to day. but let me look at your list and i'll tell you the more significant disagreements...

so i don't have coulibaly ranked - if i learn more about him, maybe i could be convinced top 10.

i'd move jordan hawkins all the way up to that 7 spot.

thompsons at 9 and 10 or 10 and 11.

basically trade places - rupert and hendricks put them in the 11-12 range with howard and sensabaugh - put them late teens, (they are both dropping).

you have clowney higher than i would - i'd have him about mid 20s.

I also don't have nick smith ranked.

but at the same time i see where you are coming from as well. and none of those are huge disagreements.
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I think all of that is fair. I'm especially high on Coulibaly and Clowney, so no surpises that others are lower on them.

Otherwise, I could probably come to the same conclusions in a week or matter of days lol. There's a tight grouping after the top 5 that contains a lot of players. Gonna change a lot between now and the draft.
 
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Since this Bilal dude starting to get some hype, this is the stats by stats comparison between Bilal and Sidy from the past year's U18 games. Sidy is the top row, Bilal is the bottom.

So if you have Bilal in your top 10, Sidy probably shouldnt be too far off (if not higher, I think he's the better prospect). Not as long or explosive, but a much stronger body and bigger frame. Essentially the same age (think Bilal is young by a few months). Stats wise SIdy obviously has the big advantage in that he seems to be a shot creator and stronger in most areas other than shot-blocking. From the stats Bilal looks to me of a finisher/cutter and not as capable at creating his own shot, even at the youth levels. The FTA/Steals/Assist disparities really stand out.
 
Watching long athletic french defensive prospects and imaging what they could be, then remembering Frank Ntlikina and Sekou Doumbouya.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
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Since this Bilal dude starting to get some hype, this is the stats by stats comparison between Bilal and Sidy from the past year's U18 games. Sidy is the top row, Bilal is the bottom.

So if you have Bilal in your top 10, Sidy probably shouldnt be too far off (if not higher, I think he's the better prospect). Not as long or explosive, but a much stronger body and bigger frame. Essentially the same age (think Bilal is young by a few months). Stats wise SIdy obviously has the big advantage in that he seems to be a shot creator and stronger in most areas other than shot-blocking. From the stats Bilal looks to me of a finisher/cutter and not as capable at creating his own shot, even at the youth levels. The FTA/Steals/Assist disparities really stand out.
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It's a fair argument and makes me think I should have them closer, but I would say it's more of a boost to Sidy rather than dropping Coulibaly. Here's why I still have Coulibaly higher atm:

1) Coulibaly's numbers this season are extremely impressive and it appears that his development is in high acceleration. However, it's important to note that his big numbers come from the U21 team, not the senior team where Wemby is playing. He is dominating the U21's as a high usage player whereas on the senior team is a very low usage 3&D player. It's hard to compare across leagues of different levels of competition, but I like Coulibaly's potential as a scorer. He comes with a high ceiling and high floor IMO. I think as far as shot creation goes I have more hope in Coulibali. It's a little unfair, however, because Sidy is playing in a 16% usage role right now and doesn't have a chance to be in a 27% usage role like Coulibaly is in the French U21 league. If you only saw Coulibaly's French league numbers you might be swayed towards Sidy.

2) It's only a 7 game tournament, but I would also expect Sidy to be further along in development because physically he is way ahead. This could also be seen as a positive for Sidy, but he looks way more jacked/physically mature even though they are similar age. I think Bilal will eventually catch up with his frame, but maybe he doesn't. Could go either way with this one....but looking at Coulibaly's frame and dimensions, I have a strong hunch he's going to be one of those guys who grows 2 inches and adds 20 lbs in an off season. Sidy was definitely better in that tournament, but I think Coulibaly will develop faster.

I think Sidy's numbers in the G-League are much better than they were the last time I checked in on him, so I'm definitely feeling the need to bump him up. He jumped off the screen the first time I saw him in the Ignite vs Wemby game. All three French wings are pretty impressive from a physical standpoint. They add a lot of depth to this draft. I think both Sidy and Coulibaly will end up being drafted way higher than they are being mocked right now. They are two of the most physically impressive prospects in the draft, and they both have some skill. Certainly more impressive than the American prospects of the same mold/age (Phillips, Mitchell, Walsh).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Watching long athletic french defensive prospects and imaging what they could be, then remembering Frank Ntlikina and Sekou Doumbouya.

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Every poster here has fallen for a French wing… whether it was Frankie smokes, sekou, Killian Hayes, or in my case Elie Okobo… I am 1000% out on Bilal. I do t care how great his highlights are… he can’t fool me.
 
KqWIN said:
It's a fair argument and makes me think I should have them closer, but I would say it's more of a boost to Sidy rather than dropping Coulibaly. Here's why I still have Coulibaly higher atm:

1) Coulibaly's numbers this season are extremely impressive and it appears that his development is in high acceleration. However, it's important to note that his big numbers come from the U21 team, not the senior team where Wemby is playing. He is dominating the U21's as a high usage player whereas on the senior team is a very low usage 3&D player. It's hard to compare across leagues of different levels of competition, but I like Coulibaly's potential as a scorer. He comes with a high ceiling and high floor IMO. I think as far as shot creation goes I have more hope in Coulibali. It's a little unfair, however, because Sidy is playing in a 16% usage role right now and doesn't have a chance to be in a 27% usage role like Coulibaly is in the French U21 league. If you only saw Coulibaly's French league numbers you might be swayed towards Sidy.

2) It's only a 7 game tournament, but I would also expect Sidy to be further along in development because physically he is way ahead. This could also be seen as a positive for Sidy, but he looks way more jacked/physically mature even though they are similar age. I think Bilal will eventually catch up with his frame, but maybe he doesn't. Could go either way with this one....but looking at Coulibaly's frame and dimensions, I have a strong hunch he's going to be one of those guys who grows 2 inches and adds 20 lbs in an off season. Sidy was definitely better in that tournament, but I think Coulibaly will develop faster.

I think Sidy's numbers in the G-League are much better than they were the last time I checked in on him, so I'm definitely feeling the need to bump him up. He jumped off the screen the first time I saw him in the Ignite vs Wemby game. All three French wings are pretty impressive from a physical standpoint. They add a lot of depth to this draft. I think both Sidy and Coulibaly will end up being drafted way higher than they are being mocked right now. They are two of the most physically impressive prospects in the draft, and they both have some skill. Certainly more impressive than the American prospects of the same mold/age (Phillips, Mitchell, Walsh).
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Great info. You should add rayan Rupert in with Coulibay and Cissoko. All are very similar at this point.
 
I could see Danny Ainge really taking to Jarace Walker -- solid and switchable defender, decent facilitator, secondary scorer with some upside. Ainge has gravitated towards this type of player in the past. He easily projects as rotational in a Marcus Morris-type role, and he could end up being a real impact player in a system that utilizes his triple-threat potential. You'd have to think he's on the Jazz's shortlist in the lottery. (Of course, he might be on everyone's short list in the lottery.)
 
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South Carolina found the one team in the SEC that's worse than they are. GG back in the starting lineup against LSU today, finished with 20/8 and an assist. He shot 4/10 on his 3PAs and 6/6 on his FTAs (which is good for him). He was only 1-7 inside the arc though. South Carolina seems to be tempering GG's role right now, having him space the floor and force his drives only later in the shotclock. GG strikes me as a guy that Masai Ujiri or Sam Presti would bet on. This was GG's 9th game so far with 20+ points.


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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I could see Danny Ainge really taking to Jarace Walker -- solid and switchable defender, decent facilitator, secondary scorer with some upside. Ainge has gravitated towards this type of player in the past. He easily projects as rotational in a Marcus Morris-type role, and he could end up being a real impact player in a system that utilizes his triple-threat potential. You'd have to think he's on the Jazz's shortlist in the lottery.
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Tony Jones said the Jazz really like him and think he would be a great fit next to Lauri.
 
Julian Strawther looking much improved over the past 3 games for the Zags. Was an early top 25 projection that had fallen out from a wretched 1st half of season show. He will end up being a good pick for a team if he ends up going 2nd round for value. I think he is creeping back into the 1st round
 
Man, I’d have a hard time taking Scoot over Brandon Miller. Shooting is the most important skill in todays NBA, and length might be 2nd. I get scoot is ridiculously explosive and talented, but man taking a 6’2 dude who can’t shoot is incredibly risky when you have a long, athletic 6’9” sharpshooting scorer sitting there on the board.

Then scoot would become the healthy version of Derrick Rose and I’d be fired.
 
Boogie Ellis looking like a worthwhile take on a 2nd-round flyer. Has had a very average career overall but is exploding this season. NBA build, athleticism, and shot-making.

He's not a floor general, but could have value as a 2nd-unit, offensive-minded guard.
 
PresidioTrojan said:
Boogie Ellis looking like a worthwhile take on a 2nd-round flyer. Has had a very average career overall but is exploding this season. NBA build, athleticism, and shot-making.

He's not a floor general, but could have value as a 2nd-unit, offensive-minded guard.
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Might be being slept on a bit for getting drafted, but not worth a first and we have no 2nd.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Man, I’d have a hard time taking Scoot over Brandon Miller. Shooting is the most important skill in todays NBA, and length might be 2nd. I get scoot is ridiculously explosive and talented, but man taking a 6’2 dude who can’t shoot is incredibly risky when you have a long, athletic 6’9” sharpshooting scorer sitting there on the board.

Then scoot would become the healthy version of Derrick Rose and I’d be fired.
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if most of what you do is shoot and not much else yet, even at 6'7" ( my guess at Miller actual height) most scouts are taking the dynamic box office freak, who will be making his teammates better and can finish over anyone like Morant 9 times out of 10. Now maybe Miller is the 3rd best prospect, at this point. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the Harrison Barnes draft treatment and slides either. Walker and the twins have higher upsides and tbh Whitmore is the more complete 2w package, even though his shooting isn't as great.
I can see BM going 3 or 4 in most scenarios, but again would not be surprised if others jump past him based on individual workouts combine testing etc which he will likely skip
 
Combine measurements are going to be fun this year. It is always funny how measuements can drop a player or elevate a player. It is like some GMs just ignore what they do on the court. Just look at desmond bane and his t-rex arms.
 
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