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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because clearly if someone compares a player to another player it must mean that both players have to be equally as good.
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It's not about who "good" they are, they just have very different skillsets as total players. I wouldn't compare two players when one player's very best attribute is another players worst attribute. I don't compare players on one skill/area. Like I wouldn't compare any college player who can't shoot to an elite shooter.
 
Comparisons are usually pointless anyway because it's impossible to look at a current player and only see them as the prospect they were coming out. Now it's easy to say that Shai always had these tools, would be this good, etc. The day before the draft even the most bullish people on SGA would never think he'd be a 30ppg, first team all NBA type player.

Ceiling and floor arguments are mostly pointless draft talk that don't really mean anything.
 
i get all the criticisms of JHS, but for some reason i do like him as a prospect. i watched him a lot last year. i saw him a lot in HS even. i saw him look really good and saw him look horrible at IU. but for whatever reason, overall, he just looks like a dude who is and will be really good at basketball. that said, no chance i take him at 9 and depending on who is there at 16, i probably pass on him there. but if i had a third pick around 18-24 and he were available, i'd probably pull the trigger if i didn't get a lead guard earlier in the draft.
 
KqWIN said:
It's not about who "good" they are, they just have very different skillsets as total players. I wouldn't compare two players when one player's very best attribute is another players worst attribute. I don't compare players on one skill/area. Like I wouldn't compare any college player who can't shoot to an elite shooter.
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SGA was an elite college shooter now? The dude took 1.4 attempts per game and has gone on to be an up and down NBA 3pt shooter throughout his career on lower (by modern standards) volume. The biggest difference between them is foul drawing, and JHS's lack of foul drawing could be explained by having to play with a dominant post player. Foul drawing is one of the more teachable NBA skills IMO.


There are a lot of discrepancies between SGA/JHS, but I agree with Ferg that they are going to be stylistically very similar players and they have similar physical tools,
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
SGA was an elite college shooter now? The dude took 1.4 attempts per game and has gone on to be an up and down NBA 3pt shooter throughout his career on lower (by modern standards) volume. The biggest difference between them is foul drawing, and JHS's lack of foul drawing could be explained by having to play with a dominant post player. Foul drawing is one of the more teachable NBA skills IMO.


There are a lot of discrepancies between SGA/JHS, but I agree with Ferg that they are going to be stylistically very similar players and they have similar physical tools,
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Uh....no I never said that lol. You're mistaken. I've been talking about shooting around the basket and the free throw line. Did I not explicitly mention those two things? Oh wait yes I did.
 
Shai's eFG% is below league average. If he was average at getting to the line he'd be a below average efficiency scorer. But he's the very best guard in the entire NBA at getting to the line. Only Embiid gets to the line more times per game. Getting to the line is what gives Shai elite efficiency and makes him an elite scorer. It's his biggest strength and not an afterthought. Comparisons are never 1:1, but take any elite player and takeaway their biggest strength, is it really a comparison at all when you do that? Elite players are also almost always good at multiple things. So finding one or two things that match can be done with every prospect. to elite player. It's fine to see those similarities, but it's trap if you don't see the bigger picture.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just dont see what there to get excited about. At 28 sure, but at 9 no way. At 16 I'm still taking a lot of guys over him. I guess the appeal is that he has a great combo of size and PNR ability. I think he probably will be at least a decent spot-up shooter. But I really dont see how he is any better than Air Podz and Podz, despite being a Sophomore, is only 4 months older than JHS.
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This is exactly correct. Podz at 28 >>>>>>>> JHS at 16
 
Another draft musing inspired by Locke:

How much distance is there between Jordan Hawkins and Julian Strawther?

If Hawkins is being talked about as a potential top 10 pick and you can get Strawther at 28, which is better?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Another draft musing inspired by Locke:

How much distance is there between Jordan Hawkins and Julian Strawther?

If Hawkins is being talked about as a potential top 10 pick and you can get Strawther at 28, which is better?
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I think Hawkins is 11-12ish through 17ish. I’d rather have Hawkins by a lot but I think he could end up being like an all star. Haven’t watched Strawther enough.
 
Hawkins gets like 7.5 3s off a game... shoots them in various ways at a good percentage... and you know the top of the scouting report says "don't let hawkins get open".
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hawkins gets like 7.5 3s off a game... shoots them in various ways at a good percentage... and you know the top of the scouting report says "don't let hawkins get open".
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True, but his team's entire game-plan was also setting screens for him to get open and a lot (dont have the exact number) of his 3's came off of UConn's excellent offensive rebounding ability.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
True, but his team's entire game-plan was also setting screens for him to get open and a lot (dont have the exact number) of his 3's came off of UConn's excellent offensive rebounding ability.
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And its a game plan that lead to a huge amount of success.

Yeah IDK... I just see him having huge amounts of success doing the same thing. Its similar to the issues Steph and others cause... when you have pressure points that are 25 feet from the basket it can really stress out a defense and open up a lot of things. I think he has some off the dribble scoring chops as well... maybe not a full iso stuff but off of screens handoffs etc. Even when a guy like that scores like 15 points it can have a huge impact because of all the attention they get without having the ball.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And its a game plan that lead to a huge amount of success.

Yeah IDK... I just see him having huge amounts of success doing the same thing. Its similar to the issues Steph and others cause... when you have pressure points that are 25 feet from the basket it can really stress out a defense and open up a lot of things. I think he has some off the dribble scoring chops as well... maybe not a full iso stuff but off of screens handoffs etc. Even when a guy like that scores like 15 points it can have a huge impact because of all the attention they get without having the ball.
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Sure, but what other skills has Hawkins for sure have? His lack of in-between and rim finishing worries me. Was he just a player in a perfect situation?

Not really trying to say he is bad, I love him and have all year. I just dont think he is worth a top 10 and I dont think he will be there at 16. So I think Strawther is just a better value play as he has a lot of the shooting (though not the crazy movement stuff which is valuable) and gives you more defensive/offensive versatility.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure, but what other skills has Hawkins for sure have? His lack of in-between and rim finishing worries me. Was he just a player in a perfect situation?

Not really trying to say he is bad, I love him and have all year. I just dont think he is worth a top 10 and I dont think he will be there at 16. So I think Strawther is just a better value play as he has a lot of the shooting (though not the crazy movement stuff which is valuable) and gives you more defensive/offensive versatility.
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I just don't see too much concern with an in between game in college... just not a lot of space for a perimeter guy to do a lot of work there. He is athletic enough to mash on people so I think in NBA space the finishing changes a bit.

I'd rather have Hawkins at 11/12 (say we traded up) than Strawther at 28. I get the argument... just saying where I would be.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Another draft musing inspired by Locke:

How much distance is there between Jordan Hawkins and Julian Strawther?

If Hawkins is being talked about as a potential top 10 pick and you can get Strawther at 28, which is better?
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i've seen too much of strawther. just don't see him as an nba player. i also don't think you take hawkins top 10 and i might be his biggest fan.
 
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