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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I also think his mindset was go to South Carolina, get the ball and dominate, it's just college. Which is fair IMO, not great, but I get it.

I would think he has been humbled at least a bit and won't have that same mindset as the 9th overall pick. Utah also isnt a super young team, there are vets there to check him.
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He’s doomed if he’s not checked and held accountable from the jump. I think everything good is in there but it has to be dredged from under years of hero ball muck.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He needs rougher. Your first paragraph doesn’t work with your second.
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He needs something... but I was referring to the many times he displayed a selfish immature attitude due to adversity. There is a lot more adversity coming... he's young and may respond differently... but many times adding money to maturity issues makes things worse.

It could just be a kid being a kid cuz he's very young. With age comes maturity... sometimes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I agree, Miller has a higher floor and an easier/more likely path to a steady NBA role, but are we drafting for floors at 9? Just doesnt vibe with me.
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I think at that high, you draft floor AND ceiling. Especially with where the Jazz are and getting multiple chances to take big swings on the later picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He needs something... but I was referring to the many times he displayed a selfish immature attitude due to adversity. There is a lot more adversity coming... he's young and may respond differently... but many times adding money to maturity issues makes things worse.

It could just be a kid being a kid cuz he's very young. With age comes maturity... sometimes.
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The difference is he won’t play if he sulks in the NBA. He will get with it or he will be out, simple as that. That wasn’t happening at the school of his choice that is also a garbage and desperate program.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I agree, Miller has a higher floor and an easier/more likely path to a steady NBA role, but are we drafting for floors at 9? Just doesnt vibe with me.
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No... but Miller's "floor" skills allow him to get on the court and there is a better chance he straightens out his one limiting factor than another prospect figuring out the list of 10 things he needs to so he can display his "superstar" talent.
 
Maturity stuff doesn't bother me as much as sucking at everything. His weaknesses at South Carolina could be listed as "the game of basketball". Imaturity is not great obviously, but if something holds him back it's going to be his talent/skill level. Not like he's Michael Beasley.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
No... but Miller's "floor" skills allow him to get on the court and there is a better chance he straightens out his one limiting factor than another prospect figuring out the list of 10 things he needs to so he can display his "superstar" talent.
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You don't get how this works. Miller has a clear weakness, shooting. If he had 10 weaknesses it is no longer a weakness. That's just potential baby!

It's not even a joke, I think some people would like Miller more if he sucked at more things.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The difference is he won’t play if he sulks in the NBA. He will get with it or he will be out, simple as that. That wasn’t happening at the school of his choice that is also a garbage and desperate program.
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So... the guy who sulks in college... Is rewarded with millions of dollars to add to his ego... is going to find Jesus when he gets to the NBA and faces much stiffer competition/adversity? Maybe... but he might be Christian Wood, Hassan Whiteside that literally has to be out of the league before they decide to change.

I just wouldn't make that bet at 9.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So... the guy who sulks in college... Is rewarded with millions of dollars to add to his ego... is going to find Jesus when he gets to the NBA and faces much stiffer competition/adversity? Maybe... but he might be Christian Wood, Hassan Whiteside that literally has to be out of the league before they decide to change.

I just wouldn't make that bet at 9.
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Neither am I.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So... the guy who sulks in college... Is rewarded with millions of dollars to add to his ego... is going to find Jesus when he gets to the NBA and faces much stiffer competition/adversity? Maybe... but he might be Christian Wood, Hassan Whiteside that literally has to be out of the league before they decide to change.

I just wouldn't make that bet at 9.
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If Will can handle it then I would do it. If he can't then move on.
 
whatthe said:
If Will can handle it then I would do it. If he can't then move on.
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Will can only do so much. Will already told us playing time is earned not given... Not sure if GG will respond differently to the tough love I think Will would offer.
 
Having a good coach does not fix every flaw, personality or otherwise, a player has.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So... the guy who sulks in college... Is rewarded with millions of dollars to add to his ego... is going to find Jesus when he gets to the NBA and faces much stiffer competition/adversity? Maybe... but he might be Christian Wood, Hassan Whiteside that literally has to be out of the league before they decide to change.

I just wouldn't make that bet at 9.
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Ok but who are you taking at 9 then? Let's assume none of the projected top 8 drop to 9. Do you think Anthony Black or Cason Wallace have more potential than GG Jackson? I understand GG has his flaws. I don't think anyone is really disputing that. But who are you taking there that has more potential?

I personally don't want the Jazz to play it safe in the draft. Playing it safe leads to nice teams who can maybe make it to the second round of the playoffs but no further. I want a championship. Obviously we all do. Imo the best way to do that is swing for the fences even if we miss. At least we took the chance.

Ideally I'd love to get Brandon Miller or Cam Whitmore. But that probably isn't happening without overpaying to trade up. Taylor Hendricks probably isn't going to be there at 9 either. If the Jazz stay pat at 9 I think GG Jackson is the one player who offers the most potential. Is he boom or bust? Yes. But that's a risk we should take. I'm sick of nice teams who lose in the second round. Let's raise expectations and shoot higher
 
RyGuy said:
Ok but who are you taking at 9 then? Let's assume none of the projected top 8 drop to 9. Do you think Anthony Black or Cason Wallace have more potential than GG Jackson? I understand GG has his flaws. I don't think anyone is really disputing that. But who are you taking there that has more potential?
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Wallace or Black... I think both have tremendous upside and are much more likely to realize that upside.
RyGuy said:
I personally don't want the Jazz to play it safe. Playing it safe leads to nice teams who can maybe make it to the second round of the playoffs but no further. I want a championship. Obviously we all do. Imo the best way to do that is swing for the fences even if we miss. At least we took the chance.
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Wild swings can produce a Giannis every now and again sure... but they also produce busts. Best thing to do is make the best bets where you are in the draft and build. Taking moonshots in yolo fashion just ain't it. There are plenty of prospects with upside. I'm not saying take the senior that will be a career 8th man. Wallace could be a top 10 pg with his two way ability. Black has tremendous upside if the shooting comes around.

RyGuy said:
Ideally I'd love to get Brandon Miller or Cam Whitmore. But that probably isn't happening without overpaying to trade up. Taylor Hendricks probably isn't going to be there at 9 either. If the Jazz stay pat at 9 I think GG Jackson is the one player who offers the most potential. Is he boom or bust? Yes. But that's a risk we should take. I'm sick of nice teams who lose in the second round. Let's raise expectations and shoot higher
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I hear ya... but many of the posters here will say this stuff then flame management later when the guy goes bust because there were good players on the board and they went for the sexy moonshot. For every Giannis there are a pile of Thon Maker's. If GG did the other things on the court well or had tremendous attitude maybe I could get on board but I won't yolo the pick for upside. Sorry.
 
RyGuy said:
Ok but who are you taking at 9 then? Let's assume none of the projected top 8 drop to 9. Do you think Anthony Black or Cason Wallace have more potential than GG Jackson? I understand GG has his flaws. I don't think anyone is really disputing that. But who are you taking there that has more potential?

I personally don't want the Jazz to play it safe in the draft. Playing it safe leads to nice teams who can maybe make it to the second round of the playoffs but no further. I want a championship. Obviously we all do. Imo the best way to do that is swing for the fences even if we miss. At least we took the chance.

Ideally I'd love to get Brandon Miller or Cam Whitmore. But that probably isn't happening without overpaying to trade up. Taylor Hendricks probably isn't going to be there at 9 either. If the Jazz stay pat at 9 I think GG Jackson is the one player who offers the most potential. Is he boom or bust? Yes. But that's a risk we should take. I'm sick of nice teams who lose in the second round. Let's raise expectations and shoot higher
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That’s a really good post. Are you new here? Welcome to the board.
 
I am sorry with 5 trillion picks we need to intentionally pick potential busts sometimes because that is the only way we are going to a high upside all-star.
 
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