2023 NBA Draft Megathread
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I personally don’t believe that your 3PT% as a freshman matters all that much. If you remember that was the gist of what I was saying.
I have been going deep into analysis about finishing at the rim, shots in halfcourt setting, off the dribble, catch and shoot, etc. All of that’s stuff matters.
I am not an NBA scout nor am I some super evaluator. What I do provide is doing deep dive research for you guys on here and provide my own opinions on a few guys.
seattlejazzfan
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sheppard is good. i wouldn't mind him at 28
Death, taxes, and stats only matter when they reaffirm my opinion 
I think you can glean some extra insight by doing more contextual stats. But it’s funny to be the guy that says we can’t use Freshman shooting stats and then all of a sudden get really into even smaller sample size numbers for freshman. The more you cut the sample the more SSS it is obviously.
I still like Jarace a lot. Shooting is a concern but the real appeal is his defense. I think he is one of the best, if not the best defensive prospect in this draft. He will enable teams to have a small ball look without compromising things that a big man would also provide. I think his defense has become somewhat of an afterthought in these convos but I’d say he has the potential to be a DPOY/ Best defender in a playoff series type guy.
Offensively I hated the way HOU used him and think he will be much better in an NBA system. His offense gets less exciting if the shooting never comes around….but I’d really like to see him in more PnR and as a passer out of the high post. The two man game between Jokic/Murray and Bam/Whatever shooter has been a staple in both team’s offenses this playoffs and I think Jarace can unlock that.
With all that said, I’m kind of a sucker for these kind of prospects. Love Okongwu, Aaron Gordon, Wendell Carter, Mobley etc. I really value a physical athlete who offers some skill and does the little things. Im also less critical of bigs’ shooting than guards, but maybe that’s a mistake.
From a Jazz perspective I think he’s the ideal fit with Lauri in a 4/5 combo situation, but it does get more dicey playing with Kessler as you’re making a bigger bet on his shooting skills. Before you draft Jarace I think you have to make a judgement on Kessler and consider whether he’s the guy you max out and play in every situation like Gobert or just a very good good C who may or may not be a part of your closing playoff look.
I think you can glean some extra insight by doing more contextual stats. But it’s funny to be the guy that says we can’t use Freshman shooting stats and then all of a sudden get really into even smaller sample size numbers for freshman. The more you cut the sample the more SSS it is obviously.I still like Jarace a lot. Shooting is a concern but the real appeal is his defense. I think he is one of the best, if not the best defensive prospect in this draft. He will enable teams to have a small ball look without compromising things that a big man would also provide. I think his defense has become somewhat of an afterthought in these convos but I’d say he has the potential to be a DPOY/ Best defender in a playoff series type guy.
Offensively I hated the way HOU used him and think he will be much better in an NBA system. His offense gets less exciting if the shooting never comes around….but I’d really like to see him in more PnR and as a passer out of the high post. The two man game between Jokic/Murray and Bam/Whatever shooter has been a staple in both team’s offenses this playoffs and I think Jarace can unlock that.
With all that said, I’m kind of a sucker for these kind of prospects. Love Okongwu, Aaron Gordon, Wendell Carter, Mobley etc. I really value a physical athlete who offers some skill and does the little things. Im also less critical of bigs’ shooting than guards, but maybe that’s a mistake.
From a Jazz perspective I think he’s the ideal fit with Lauri in a 4/5 combo situation, but it does get more dicey playing with Kessler as you’re making a bigger bet on his shooting skills. Before you draft Jarace I think you have to make a judgement on Kessler and consider whether he’s the guy you max out and play in every situation like Gobert or just a very good good C who may or may not be a part of your closing playoff look.
seattlejazzfan
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funny how podz looks good on every graphic and stat that gets posted. badass
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Interesting point. I think it depends on what a person thinks of the importance of defense (rim protection in particular) for a big and Miller’s shooting prospects.
I will say I’ve been warming quite a bit to him. Still think there are real question marks on the jumper, but Barlowe last week or so said that Miller was the worst prospect in the entire combine last year and that plus how strong he ended the year suggests he might be a fast learner and just hitting his stride.
seattlejazzfan
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imo, he's better than both. my only issue with miller at 9 is the idea that you can get him at 16. if you can get him at 16 you might as well take somebody else at 9 and snag him at 16.
I’m repeating myself but I am kinda all in on getting Podz with the Jazz’s 3rd pick (likely trading up in order to do so).
Did you know he only shot 77% from FT so that negates everything good about him.
zags422
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with this draft I would love if we somehow turned 3 picks into 4 and stacked our depth up.
I have what I think is an interesting comparison for review. Everyone here is way better with data and analysis than I.
Jarace Walker vs Kobe Brown. One is a projected top 10 pick and the other middle late 2nd round. Could you be getting near equal value with higher offensive upside with brown 34-45 picks later….or are they too different of players to even compare given Brown was more of a SF/PF
I have what I think is an interesting comparison for review. Everyone here is way better with data and analysis than I.
Jarace Walker vs Kobe Brown. One is a projected top 10 pick and the other middle late 2nd round. Could you be getting near equal value with higher offensive upside with brown 34-45 picks later….or are they too different of players to even compare given Brown was more of a SF/PF
Death, taxes, and stats only matter when they reaffirm my opinion
I still like Jarace a lot. Shooting is a concern but the real appeal is his defense. I think he is one of the best, if not the best defensive prospect in this draft. He will enable teams to have a small ball look without compromising things that a big man would also provide. I think his defense has become somewhat of an afterthought in these convos but I’d say he has the potential to be a DPOY/ Best defender in a playoff series type guy.
Offensively I hated the way HOU used him and think he will be much better in an NBA system. His offense gets less exciting if the shooting never comes around….but I’d really like to see him in more PnR and as a passer out of the high post. The two man game between Jokic/Murray and Bam/Whatever shooter has been a staple in both team’s offenses this playoffs and I think Jarace can unlock that.
With all that said, I’m kind of a sucker for these kind of prospects. Love Okongwu, Aaron Gordon, Wendell Carter, Mobley etc. I really value a physical athlete who offers some skill and does the little things. Im also less critical of bigs’ shooting than guards, but maybe that’s a mistake.
From a Jazz perspective I think he’s the ideal fit with Lauri in a 4/5 combo situation, but it does get more dicey playing with Kessler as you’re making a bigger bet on his shooting skills. Before you draft Jarace I think you have to make a judgement on Kessler and consider whether he’s the guy you max out and play in every situation like Gobert or just a very good good C who may or may not be a part of your closing playoff look.
Yeah, this is a trash take. Trying to **** on me but then you throw some bs out there that we need to make a decision on Kessler. If Jarace can’t play with Lauri and Kessler I wouldn’t draft him. Period. Especially at 9.
I’m sorry I posted stats that show your favorite prospects have flaws *gasp*.
Eddie Zero
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no worries we aint picking this no talent assclown anyway lol
Eddie Zero
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the duck of death ? lol
Whoah… that’s taking it a bit far don’t you think?
Eddie Zero
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yeah lol
I wonder if Locke reads Jazzfans in his spare time…