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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He's a good, versatile point guard, but he can't consistently beat guys and get to the rim. He can't consistently score in isolation. I wouldn't call him a #1 option. Or if he is, his team is going to be drafting in the lottery.
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If you are looking for someone better with the ball in their hand than Tyrese at #9 then just sit the draft out.
 
NUMBERICA said:
This is almost an Archie-Goodwin-to-Michael-Jordan-comp-level of absurdity. Almost.
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Dude just went 21/10 on insane efficiency and we are like "if you can't lead Nesmith and Jalen Smith to the playoffs are you even good?"

They tanked their asses off to get where they did... If Tyrese was for sale everyone from the second pick on would take that no questions asked.
 
So the Wiz may enter an OKC style rebuild supposedly... so... I wonder... can we get Deni Avdija for something reasonable? I still believe that guy can be a wonderful connecting piece on both sides of the ball... just wish the jumper would come around... it may not.

I'm sure Zinger and Kuzma are a bit troubled with this news as they might have thought they'd get that Wiz bonus overpay like Bertans and Beal... Houston likely licking their chops.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Cool goalpost moving.
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That's not goalpost moving. That's a fair assessment. I love Haliburton as a player. He's the one All Star-level player that Handlogten mentioned, and I'm hoping Bufkin can be something like him, but the Jazz also need a bonafide #1 option they can build their offense around. They need to take big swings.

You may recall just a year ago, the Jazz had an All Star guard putting up 27/5/5 on the best efficiency of his career, and they got taken out in the first round. If the Jazz, or any other team, wants to go deep in the playoffs, they need one or two unstoppable offensive players.

That's the standard if a team wants to contend. If the Jazz just want to fuss around in the first round of the playoffs, they can keep doing what they've been doing for the past 15 years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Dude just went 21/10 on insane efficiency and we are like "if you can't lead Nesmith and Jalen Smith to the playoffs are you even good?"

They tanked their asses off to get where they did... If Tyrese was for sale everyone from the second pick on would take that no questions asked.
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Realistically, I think Orlando would trade #6 for Haliburton. Houston might consider #4. I don't think Charlotte would trade #2.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
That's not goalpost moving. That's a fair assessment. I love Haliburton as a player. He's the one All Star-level player that Handlogten mentioned, and I'm hoping Bufkin can be something like him, but the Jazz also need a bonafide #1 option they can build their offense around. They need to take big swings.

You may recall just a year ago, the Jazz had an All Star guard putting up 27/5/5 on the best efficiency of his career, and they got taken out in the first round. If the Jazz, or any other team, wants to go deep in the playoffs, they need one or two unstoppable offensive players.

That's the standard if a team wants to contend.
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Besides Giannis, is there a big swing guy that ended up as a number 1 option on a good team?
 
Can you contribute to winning as you are developing? Can you improve and learn quickly? I think the Thompson twins bust and Black busts. They are not going to contribute to winning as they develop and they are not going to learn quick enough.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Besides Giannis, is there a big swing guy that ended up as a number 1 option on a good team?
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Guys like Luka, Jokic, Kawhi... A big swing guy is someone where you say, "If this guy hits, he can be a top 5 - 10 player in the league."

In this draft, outside of Wembanyama, the guys with that kind of upside are Cam Whitmore, maybe Ausar, maybe Bilal. I'd say GG too, but it's sounding like he's got a ways to go mentally.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Guys like Luka, Jokic, Kawhi... A big swing guy is someone where you say, "If this guy hits, he can be a top 5 - 10 player in the league."

In this draft, outside of Wembanyama, the guys with that kind of upside are Cam Whitmore, maybe Ausar, maybe Bilal. I'd say GG too, but it's sounding like he's got a ways to go mentally.
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None of those guys are big swing guys though... Kawhi was a defensive wing that people liked but not seen as brimming with superstar potential... Luka was the third pick... and was the consensus #1 internet draft nerd pick... was 2 time mvp of Euro league... not a big swing at all... Jokic was a fuggin second round pick not some upside guy.

Giannis is the best example of a big swing hitting... for every Giannis there are 100 Poku's or Than Makers.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Guys like Luka, Jokic, Kawhi... A big swing guy is someone where you say, "If this guy hits, he can be a top 5 - 10 player in the league."

In this draft, outside of Wembanyama, the guys with that kind of upside are Cam Whitmore, maybe Ausar, maybe Bilal. I'd say GG too, but it's sounding like he's got a ways to go mentally.
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I wouldn't consider any of those guys big swings
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Charlotte isn't passing on Scoot for Haliburton. I question whether a team should pass on Whitmore for Hali too.
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They would... Haliburton's floor is an AS pg... his ceiling is an All-NBA pg. This is one of the dumber takes here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
None of those guys are big swing guys though... Kawhi was a defensive wing that people liked but not seen as brimming with superstar potential... Luka was the third pick... and was the consensus #1 internet draft nerd pick... was 2 time mvp of Euro league... not a big swing at all... Jokic was a fuggin second round pick not some upside guy.

Giannis is the best example of a big swing hitting... for every Giannis there are 100 Poku's or Than Makers.
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Well "swings" should be measured on who you passed on more than anything, not necessarily the #.
 
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