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seattlejazzfan said:
black doesn't have the elite skills and quickness of kidd - there is a reason kidd went #2 overall after all - but he is bigger than kidd and his iq was pretty special for a frosh. his ceiling is somewhere below kidd, but an optimistic outcome is giddey and if i draft black, i'm very happy with that.
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I've kind of balked at the Giddey comparison because I think Giddey's passing (his best skill) is way ahead of Black imo....but I think they are similar in the way they can get to the basket and FT line. OTOH, Giddey has a decent floater range game as a compliment to his slashing that I don't think Black has....but Black is a better defensive prospect....sort of. I think Giddey is underrated there.

As an overall player, I'd agree that if Black gets to Giddey's level (or is at Giddey's level in his first few seasons) that is a strong optimistic outcome for him.
 
KqWIN said:
I've kind of balked at the Giddey comparison because I think Giddey's passing (his best skill) is way ahead of Black imo....but I think they are similar in the way they can get to the basket and FT line. OTOH, Giddey has a decent floater range game as a compliment to his slashing that I don't think Black has....but Black is a better defensive prospect....sort of. I think Giddey is underrated there.

As an overall player, I'd agree that if Black gets to Giddey's level (or is at Giddey's level in his first few seasons) that is a strong optimistic outcome for him.
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i think you're underrating black's passing which is why i think it is such a great comparison (i will also acknowledge i may be overrating it), but while giddey might have the floater black doesn't have, black is a more explosive run/jump athlete which could make up for it. i also agree giddey is underrated defensively.
 
Elizah Huge said:
9-3-3 isn’t anything special. He had more fouls than assists or rebounds.
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18 year old playing against a top 4 Euroleague team bud.

You obviously didnt watch the games because even when presented with the box scores you had no idea what's going on.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i think you're underrating black's passing which is why i think it is such a great comparison (i will also acknowledge i may be overrating it), but while giddey might have the floater black doesn't have, black is a more explosive run/jump athlete which could make up for it. i also agree giddey is underrated defensively.
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I really wanted to like Black going into the season because he was described as a Lonzo/Giddey level passer....but IMO he fell short of that. Black's passing is better on film than it is on paper, his AST/TOV is honestly just average, but I still think there's a decent gap between an elite passer like Lonzo/Giddey and Black. Black is high level for a 6'7 guy, those guys are elite passers without the height qualifier.

One thing that definitely pops on film is that Black puts the pass in the right place and it's super impressive, but he's not consistently making plays and often times goes awol on offense. A lot of this is due to ARK's **** offense, and while it is an excuse that's valid. The question on him is how he will be able to leverage NBA level spacing. I still think he's a great prospect and potentially the best PG prospect after Scoot....but still don't feel strongly enough to move into the top 5 for him.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
18 year old playing against a top 4 Euroleague team bud.

You obviously didnt watch the games because even when presented with the box scores you had no idea what's going on.
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Nothing special. Players have done a lot better than that at the same age.
 
Elizah Huge said:
9-3-3 isn’t anything special. He had more fouls than assists or rebounds.
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The Bilal brigade might be annoying, but it doesn't really help you to lie like this directly after accusing them of "making stuff up" lol.

If you feel so strongly about something, you would not have to make something up that is easily provable to be false.
 
KqWIN said:
The Bilal brigade might be annoying, but it doesn't really help you to lie like this directly after accusing them of "making stuff up" lol.

If you feel so strongly about something, you would not have to make something up that is easily provable to be false.
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How is it easily provable to be false? Go look up Killian Hayes and Sekou Doumbouya’s stats in the same league at the same age.
 
Elizah Huge said:
How is it easily provable to be false? Go look up Killian Hayes and Sekou Doumbouya’s stats in the same league at the same age.
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I also wouldn’t want to be on Cy and Ferg’s side of any draft prospect argument this year. They have been getting dunked on for months.
 
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