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2024-2025 Tank Race

Nets vs Blazers tonight. Hope the Blazers win. Nets should pick up random wins during the ****** part of the tank phase vs other East tankers.
 
fishonjazz said:
Part of tanking is having low salary (poor players and young players make less money) and lots of picks so at any point that you see an already established star that will be getting traded (or who seems gettable in free agency) you can pivot and flush the tank and start trying to win again.
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Having lots of picks is not related to tanking. It's a function of having valuable assets and trading them away. Most tanking teams end up tanking exactly because they don't have assets.

You're describing some other Danny Ainge dream scenario you're clinging to and thinking it's actually true.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nets vs Blazers tonight. Hope the Blazers win. Nets should pick up random wins during the ****** part of the tank phase vs other East tankers.
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I think the Nets become the worst team in basketball from here on out. Blazers haven't telegraphed their desire to tank like the Nets. Personally more worried about Brooklyn. Nets have 11 games left against tankers. Just like us. Portland has 10 games left against tankers. Just looking at the rosters... Nets will move on from Johnson. Blazers will have way more talent imo.
 
Tanktastic said:
Having lots of picks is not related to tanking. It's a function of having valuable assets and trading them away. Most tanking teams end up tanking exactly because they don't have assets.

You're describing some other Danny Ainge dream scenario you're clinging to and thinking it's actually true.
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I disagree with the first paragraph but whatever. This forum is a jazz fan forum. The jazz are as described. It's not a dream scenario. It's literally occuring right now. The jazz have a lot of draft picks coming up and low salary. The timeline is whatever they want it to be rather than this timeline that only ends when they draft LeBron or whatever. Again, there is no rule book for tanking.
At any point they can make the decision to make winning games in the present a priority. I will fully support that decision when they make and root to win every game we play like usual.
You are trying so hard to make this way more complicated than it is.
 
Zion killing it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Zion’s most important purpose to the Jazz is that he stays in NO and helps win them games. Acquiring him impairs the objective of this season on two ends.
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If you trade for Zion then I think the reasoning is that you got an all star that can average close to 30 points per game and you use all the draft picks you have to add to the Zion/Lauri/Kessler or sexton core or whatever.
Trading for Zion is saying **** the tank. We are pivoting.
 
fishonjazz said:
If you trade for Zion then I think the reasoning is that you got an all star that can average close to 30 points per game and you use all the draft picks you have to add to the Zion/Lauri/Kessler or sexton core or whatever.
Trading for Zion is saying **** the tank. We are pivoting.
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Gross. Nah. It’s as hard to win a tank to the bottom as it is to win a ring and we are contenders right now in that regard.
 
I think either we trade Lauri next year or this will be our last year of tanking. One of the best situations to be in is a "treadmill" team with a clean salary book and lots of assets. If we use all 3 picks will have 8 or 9 first contract players. We will have to consolidate at some point.

Jazz probably play to winners year and see how it shakes out. If our young guys suck or Lauri or Kessler gets injured, maybe we pull the plug, which is easy to do in the western conference.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Your last point is a good one. However: for me, the relatively flattened, current odds make it all the more imperative to assure your non-lottery placing (worst record guaranteed no worse than 5th pick).
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Its rare that there are 5 prospects head and shoulders above the rest. That is the only year when worst record truely matters. If there are 1-4 or 6+ then the argument changes.

The "more imperative" is only true when there are more than 4 true blue chip prospects. This year it doesnt seem that way and I'm gonna claim its rare that any draft is that deep on top end talent.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree with the first paragraph but whatever. This forum is a jazz fan forum. The jazz are as described. It's not a dream scenario. It's literally occuring right now. The jazz have a lot of draft picks coming up and low salary. The timeline is whatever they want it to be rather than this timeline that only ends when they draft LeBron or whatever. Again, there is no rule book for tanking.
At any point they can make the decision to make winning games in the present a priority. I will fully support that decision when they make and root to win every game we play like usual.
You are trying so hard to make this way more complicated than it is.
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Oh it definitely is a dream. We'll get Flagg, and if we don't get Flagg, then we'll just pivot and get Giannis ffs.

Sure, the Jazz can decide to change course at any point. Then all the tanking has been an abject failure, the whole strategy just a farce and the franchise has no direction. The owner has stated that the goal is a team that's contending for the championship year after year. Now saying that he's fine with going for the sixth spot in the West will cause explosive cognitive dissonance.

And I don't agree with people that think the Jazz can never get a Giannis, because no-one wants to be in Utah. It's not like Milwaukee is the bright lights of NYC... But no superstar will ever be fine being traded to a full-on dumpster fire of a tanking franchise - which the Jazz currently are.

And the Jazz had a lot of valuable assets quite recently. Now they've wasted six of those picks and have little to show for it. At the same time the Cavs picks have de-valued massively and any trade partner will value them at a fraction of a possible top10 pick. Any trade partner will want the Jazz picks, not the Minny picks and definitely not the Cavs picks.

There is no timeline and the Jazz have no control on their timeline.
 
Tanktastic said:
Oh it definitely is a dream. We'll get Flagg, and if we don't get Flagg, then we'll just pivot and get Giannis ffs.

Sure, the Jazz can decide to change course at any point. Then all the tanking has been an abject failure, the whole strategy just a farce and the franchise has no direction. The owner has stated that the goal is a team that's contending for the championship year after year. Now saying that he's fine with going for the sixth spot in the West will cause explosive cognitive dissonance.

And I don't agree with people that think the Jazz can never get a Giannis, because no-one wants to be in Utah. It's not like Milwaukee is the bright lights of NYC... But no superstar will ever be fine being traded to a full-on dumpster fire of a tanking franchise - which the Jazz currently are.

And the Jazz had a lot of valuable assets quite recently. Now they've wasted six of those picks and have little to show for it. At the same time the Cavs picks have de-valued massively and any trade partner will value them at a fraction of a possible top10 pick. Any trade partner will want the Jazz picks, not the Minny picks and definitely not the Cavs picks.

There is no timeline and the Jazz have no control on their timeline.
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Lol silly crybaby.
 
Tanktastic said:
The ones crying will be the ones who in three years time notice that the Jazz don't have Flagg or Giannis and all the picks are gone.
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No more reason to doom our chances than to overhype the few percentages our odds may improve with better tanking.

Both are equally invalid arguments. Whether we are 1st or 5th is pretty irrelevant, but what is not is that we need to get lucky and find a blue chip guy wherever we end up drafting.
 
Tanktastic said:
The ones crying will be the ones who in three years time notice that the Jazz don't have Flagg or Giannis and all the picks are gone.
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That would be the appropriate time to be sad, I agree.
Pre-emptively crying about it like some people are doing is a weird way to go about it but whatever.
 
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