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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

It also sounds like Fox is irritated they keep drafting guards... so maybe Carter really was in the deal and part of it was to make Fox happy... and now that reason is no longer applicable.

Kings going full Kangz this year and I told yall asses that the vibes were real weird.
 
mdalby said:
Sexton's Per 36 stats are pretty comparable to Fox and they should be able to get Sexton cheap. Sexton is more efficient with better shooting percentages. Sexton is one year younger and has one more year on his contract at $19M after this season.

Seems like a good fit for the Kings.

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Fox is fine defensively while Sexton is one of the worst defenders in the league.

If Sexton was average defensively, I think he would have a huge amount of value around the league, but he's been terrible and it's so hard to play a terrible defender in the modern NBA unless they're a superstar on offense.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Fox is fine defensively while Sexton is one of the worst defenders in the league.

If Sexton was average defensively, I think he would have a huge amount of value around the league, but he's been terrible and it's so hard to play a terrible defender in the modern NBA unless they're a superstar on offense.
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No one is saying Sexton is as good as Fox. We are saying contracts equated, Sexton is a better value.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No one is saying Sexton is as good as Fox. We are saying contracts equated, Sexton is a better value.
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Everyone's forgetting that Sexton wouldn't be allowed to play a role like his current Jazz one on any team trying to win. We're trying to lose, so it's OK to let him go buck wild, play 30mpg and give up 3 points for every 2 he scores. That would not happen in Sacramento so you can't equate the contracts like that.

Collin is literally in an ideal situation in Utah... for him. Only other tanking teams would offer him this type of freedom and minutes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Collin is likely worth a first... Lauri at his downgrade worth 2.5 good firsts. IDK like 5 firsts if you melt it all down. Could be worse. I always thought those deals should really be looked at as one but whatevs.
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If we end up trading Lauri and Collin, we also the bled the value that they contributed to winning over the past two seasons. Their contributions over the past 2.5+ years has been strictly negative when it comes to draft compensation....so you have to factor that in as well. The only logical reason for keeping Lauri and Sexton around was in case something else happened like an almost guy. Almost guy is still almost guy, so we definitely bled value for attempting to go that route and failing to execute on any of those plans. We likely dodged a bullet by failing those plans, however.

I think the initial package was fine, management of those assets after the fact may leave a lot to be desired. I think the Jazz did well to turn those 3 CLE picks into 1 PHX pick, but keeping Lauri+Sexton all three years while you're tanking and driving down their value is a tough pill to swallow. The only payoff we'll get is trading them for subpar value.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Everyone's forgetting that Sexton wouldn't be allowed to play a role like his current Jazz one on any team trying to win. We're trying to lose, so it's OK to let him go buck wild, play 30mpg and give up 3 points for every 2 he scores. That would not happen in Sacramento so you can't equate the contracts like that.

Collin is literally in an ideal situation in Utah... for him. Only other tanking teams would offer him this type of freedom and minutes.
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Dude, quite literally give us a break with this ****. Sexton is on a tanking minutes restriction. He is a very good, legitimate NBA player that wound up on an obviously tanking team. I’m sorry you’re so ****ing bored, maybe there are other things you could be doing than spamming about this.

I would 1000% rather have Sexton for what he is paid and what it would take to trade for him than I would Fox.
 
Not a perfect 1:1, but I think Fox's trade value will be a decent reference point for a potential Lauri trade. I would assume that any team trading for Fox will sign him to a long term max/close to it. Lauri is probably a bit lower than Fox in terms of trade value, but we can use that as a reference point.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Dude, quite literally give us a break with this ****. Sexton is on a tanking minutes restriction. He is a very good, legitimate NBA player that wound up on an obviously tanking team. I’m sorry you’re so ****ing bored, maybe there are other things you could be doing than spamming about this.

I would 1000% rather have Sexton for what he is paid and what it would take to trade for him than I would Fox.
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Some went wrong in TU's family.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Then that makes even less sense because Johnson was never on the trading block
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NUMBERICA said:
Dude, quite literally give us a break with this ****. Sexton is on a tanking minutes restriction. He is a very good, legitimate NBA player that wound up on an obviously tanking team. I’m sorry you’re so ****ing bored, maybe there are other things you could be doing than spamming about this.

I would 1000% rather have Sexton for what he is paid and what it would take to trade for him than I would Fox.
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He talks so much **** but won’t dare back up his words. I’ve hounded him and insulted him trying to make a bet with him and he’s avoiding me like the plague. His words mean nothing
 
KqWIN said:
Not a perfect 1:1, but I think Fox's trade value will be a decent reference point for a potential Lauri trade. I would assume that any team trading for Fox will sign him to a long term max/close to it. Lauri is probably a bit lower than Fox in terms of trade value, but we can use that as a reference point.
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BTW, this convo we're having about Sexton vs Fox on their contract. This would apply to something like Cam Johnson against Lauri. I'm sure we'll be consistent on this idea when it looks bad for us, right?
 
KqWIN said:
Not a perfect 1:1, but I think Fox's trade value will be a decent reference point for a potential Lauri trade. I would assume that any team trading for Fox will sign him to a long term max/close to it. Lauri is probably a bit lower than Fox in terms of trade value, but we can use that as a reference point.
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Fox's trade value is weird just because it's so easy to go to the Spurs in two years because Wemby makes very little money for the next 2.5 years.

Most players do not have plausible FA threats (see: Jimmy Butler) so teams can still trade them to wherever. The teams players usually want to go to are usually contenders that have tons of money tied up that would make clearing out cap space hard. The Spurs will have the cap room for Fox so his trade value is gone.
 
KqWIN said:
If we end up trading Lauri and Collin, we also the bled the value that they contributed to winning over the past two seasons. Their contributions over the past 2.5+ years has been strictly negative when it comes to draft compensation....so you have to factor that in as well. The only logical reason for keeping Lauri and Sexton around was in case something else happened like an almost guy. Almost guy is still almost guy, so we definitely bled value for attempting to go that route and failing to execute on any of those plans. We likely dodged a bullet by failing those plans, however.

I think the initial package was fine, management of those assets after the fact may leave a lot to be desired. I think the Jazz did well to turn those 3 CLE picks into 1 PHX pick, but keeping Lauri+Sexton all three years while you're tanking and driving down their value is a tough pill to swallow. The only payoff we'll get is trading them for subpar value.
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Yeah... I mean Lauri's value obviously took off after the trade but likely now dipped before we cashed in. Its like buying a car and then driving it into all the curbs and not changing the oil and such then looking back and being like "I paid for a piece of junk!!!".
 
LOL, I think the Fanspo's Trade Machine is cracking under the traffic. Apparently the Jazz don't own any 2025 picks and San Antonio doesn't own Minnesota's 2031 pick (BTW: WOW, what ****ing gamble).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah... I mean Lauri's value obviously took off after the trade but likely now dipped before we cashed in. Its like buying a car and then driving it into all the curbs and not changing the oil and such then looking back and being like "I paid for a piece of junk!!!".
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Lauri's value has gone up and down, but if we're looking at what we have right now we should take into account what we have right now. After that, we also have to consider that we paid a cost to have him arrive at this value. We didn't pay nothing to have him on roster, he was the biggest contributor to anti-tank and that was the only point of the only seasons we've had him. In other word's, we can say Lauri has X amount of pick value but it has come at the cost of whatever you feel his damage to tanking is.

I don't know if you want to wrap that up in what you consider the trade return, but it definitely contributes to the situation we're in. Like I said, I think the initial trade was great, we've bled a significant amount of that value on the basis of how we've handled Sexton and Lauri. I think Jazz fans like to flaunt around the idea that DA is hard *** and it's amazing. It can be, and it can also be very bad.
 
KqWIN said:
Lauri's value has gone up and down, but if we're looking at what we have right now we should take into account what we have right now. After that, we also have to consider that we paid a cost to have him arrive at this value. We didn't pay nothing to have him on roster, he was the biggest contributor to anti-tank and that was the only point of the only seasons we've had him. In other word's, we can say Lauri has X amount of pick value but it has come at the cost of whatever you feel his damage to tanking is.

I don't know if you want to wrap that up in what you consider the trade return, but it definitely contributes to the situation we're in. Like I said, I think the initial trade was great, we've bled a significant amount of that value on the basis of how we've handled Sexton and Lauri. I think Jazz fans like to flaunt around the idea that DA is hard *** and it's amazing. It can be, and it can also be very bad.
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Oh I have been annoyed for a couple years with DA's value based trading on some of the smaller deals. The biggest mistake of this whole rebuild was not cutting hard enough after teh Don/Rudy deals and that was because he wanted the home runs. Overall I am happy with the front office... they are far from perfect but a good chunk of it was understandable.

I do have a feeling they will try to keep enough stuff together to do the quick bounce unless they get real offers on guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Oh I have been annoyed for a couple years with DA's value based trading on some of the smaller deals. The biggest mistake of this whole rebuild was not cutting hard enough after teh Don/Rudy deals and that was because he wanted the home runs. Overall I am happy with the front office... they are far from perfect but a good chunk of it was understandable.

I do have a feeling they will try to keep enough stuff together to do the quick bounce unless they get real offers on guys.
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In a nutshell: it was absolutely bizarre Lauri wasn't traded within a year of his All Star selection.

BIZARRE. It cannot be explained in rational terms.
 
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