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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

Sexton is now shooting 43% from 3 and Collins 40% from 3.

Not saying they are the top trade pieces on the market, but they both are options for teams given their shooting improvement.
Collins has been shockingly good and consistent. I almost always think its going in when he is open. Super cool teammate and player to watch. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. It will get a little goofy when I want to see more Flip tho.
 
Collins has been shockingly good and consistent. I almost always think its going in when he is open. Super cool teammate and player to watch. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. It will get a little goofy when I want to see more Flip tho.

He's also been doing this playing many minutes next to a big. I actually think his defense at C and offense at PF have been significantly better. Don't think it results in being able to trade him for value, but he's really broken out of that mold where he can only score as a roll man w/an elite PG. He's added a ton of versatility to his game.
 
He's also been doing this playing many minutes next to a big. I actually think his defense at C and offense at PF have been significantly better. Don't think it results in being able to trade him for value, but he's really broken out of that mold where he can only score as a roll man w/an elite PG. He's added a ton of versatility to his game.
All those weirdo dribble drives where he jumps high and shoots like a 5 foot bank shot that missed last year and always led to me saying "why?" seem to be going in too. I don't think we have a route to cap space that we really want to use or that limits us really... so unless I got a younger player I liked or some seconds with the expiring salary I'm likely just cool standing pat. This all assumes the tank is still rolling without much harm. I have fallen victim to the dreaded Dant Exum principle that @infection invented.
 
It's our time. PHX 31 unprotected might be enough for me to get Kessler. We'd likely get off of Clarkson as well.


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Look 2031 is a long way away. And you mean to tell me I gotta watch Nurkic play basketball for two years on top of waiting. For those reasons I'm out.


All these deals get more attractive if the tank is failing... right now the tank is tanking so I need a little more. They can't even offer swaps.
 
Look 2031 is a long way away. And you mean to tell me I gotta watch Nurkic play basketball for two years on top of waiting. For those reasons I'm out.


All these deals get more attractive if the tank is failing... right now the tank is tanking so I need a little more. They can't even offer swaps.
I mean… an unprotected pick from a team with no talent and unable to add talent would be crazy juicy. ‘31 from Phoenix would be like our crown jewel asset until/unless we actually secure and successfully develop a blue-chipper.
 
I mean… an unprotected pick from a team with no talent and unable to add talent would be crazy juicy. ‘31 from Phoenix would be like our crown jewel asset until/unless we actually secure and successfully develop a blue-chipper.
In 2031 we will be in the second reign of the alien cyborgs who overtook our AI overlords to free us... only to enslave us again.

I get the appeal... if the tank starts to fail I would consider holding my nose while watching Nurk get 30 minutes a night.
 
In 2031 we will be in the second reign of the alien cyborgs who overtook our AI overlords to free us... only to enslave us again.

I get the appeal... if the tank starts to fail I would consider holding my nose while watching Nurk get 30 minutes a night.

The thing about the tank is that it's not really a black/white question of is it failing or is it not. When it comes to all of the guys who help us win, they are costing us some kind of tanking benefit. Even if it's just a win or two, that could mean a lotto spot or two.

I'm not saying we should just dump everyone that helps us win, but it comes down to how much value you think they can provide beyond tanking....for us it looks like we might be tanking for awhile. Lauri obviously carries a lot of future value, I think Collins is maybe playing at a level where he's carrying his weight, no need to discuss Sexton further, and Kessler has quite a bit of future value as well. The 31 pick would definitely make me think hard about it. It would be our most valuable owed pick by some margin IMO.
 
He's also been doing this playing many minutes next to a big. I actually think his defense at C and offense at PF have been significantly better. Don't think it results in being able to trade him for value, but he's really broken out of that mold where he can only score as a roll man w/an elite PG. He's added a ton of versatility to his game.

I’d like to keep him and sign him to a new contract at a bargain loyalty rate. I like him off the bench as a sixth man with his percentages right now and his ability to switch.


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I’d like to keep him and sign him to a new contract at a bargain loyalty rate. I like him off the bench as a sixth man with his percentages right now and his ability to switch.


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That wouldn't be a bad outcome for us. His contract makes him tough to trade, but on a more reasonable deal he's a good fit for so many teams. He's playing extremely well for us now in multiple positions and I still don't think we're the best fit for utilizing his skills. He's succeeding despite us playing him towards his weaknesses (or previous weaknesses) and that says a lot about how far he's come in terms of versatility.
 
The thing about the tank is that it's not really a black/white question of is it failing or is it not. When it comes to all of the guys who help us win, they are costing us some kind of tanking benefit. Even if it's just a win or two, that could mean a lotto spot or two.

I'm not saying we should just dump everyone that helps us win, but it comes down to how much value you think they can provide beyond tanking....for us it looks like we might be tanking for awhile. Lauri obviously carries a lot of future value, I think Collins is maybe playing at a level where he's carrying his weight, no need to discuss Sexton further, and Kessler has quite a bit of future value as well. The 31 pick would definitely make me think hard about it. It would be our most valuable owed pick by some margin IMO.
Maybe. Right now the tank is tanking tho. We will never catch the Wiz. 2nd and 3rd worst is pretty similar. I think we out tank NO but it could be close. I'm not particularly worried about the East teams as I think they cannabilize themselves. Porty has already doubled up our wins. Moving Walker might just be the diff between 2 and 3 and it just isn't worth it to me.

With NO their schedule gets easier in January. Zion has a wonky contract but I think if he doesn't appear in like 41 games he can be waived. I don't think anyone has the full terms there. Either way he may come back long enough to hit his marks and it may be in the easy part of their schedule. BI will get moved or re-sign before the end of the year. It will depend on what they get there too. I think its kind of a toss up between us and them right now.

If it was just Walker for 2031 and some seconds... then fine. I am enjoying watching these assy games tho... and Nurk will make that so much harder... and likely not gonna be able to move him for a year and a half. We have to think about my sanity okay.
 
I think a trade centered around the 2031 phoenix 1st and nurkic would look something like this...View attachment 17656
I wasn't advocating for this. I am just looking at what would actually work. Trading with the suns is hard.

Their 2031 unprotected would be a significant asset, no question. Having said that, I love walker. If the suns swapped out Nurkic for Kessler, they instantly get a lot better.

If they had a pick swap in addition to the 2031 unprotected, it would be a lot more interesting. But they don't have any pick swaps left.
 
Take the emotion out of it. Its 2031... losing a player you like in Walker sucks but you end up with a top 3 pick and he is an All Star for sure and you think back to Walker... do you really have heart burn about it?

If it is a guy like Hendricks then you punted. The suns in 2031 should be very much in trouble.
 
Maybe. Right now the tank is tanking tho. We will never catch the Wiz. 2nd and 3rd worst is pretty similar. I think we out tank NO but it could be close. I'm not particularly worried about the East teams as I think they cannabilize themselves. Porty has already doubled up our wins. Moving Walker might just be the diff between 2 and 3 and it just isn't worth it to me.

With NO their schedule gets easier in January. Zion has a wonky contract but I think if he doesn't appear in like 41 games he can be waived. I don't think anyone has the full terms there. Either way he may come back long enough to hit his marks and it may be in the easy part of their schedule. BI will get moved or re-sign before the end of the year. It will depend on what they get there too. I think its kind of a toss up between us and them right now.

If it was just Walker for 2031 and some seconds... then fine. I am enjoying watching these assy games tho... and Nurk will make that so much harder... and likely not gonna be able to move him for a year and a half. We have to think about my sanity okay.

It's still not a black/white question. Any way you slice it, your chances of getting any position are better/worse depending on who you have on your team. There is some chance we are ahead or behind a certain team and any player that helps us win makes those chances worse. I've been vocal about the flattened odds and how they make it so that positioning is less significant, but it still matters. And we should probably be thinking about the tanking impact beyond this season as well.

Walker has a lot of value once we eventually make it to the other side of the tunnel, not sure a PHX 31 is worth it but we should be asking what that future value is for each of the players that are actually helping us win at the moment.

I like PHX 31 better than the "two firsts" asking price that's been out there. We know those two first are probably mid at best and we don't need any more crappy picks. I'd probably give up all of our remaining CLE picks for that PHX pick.
 
I would not trade Walter, He is young got potential and even in a winning team he can be a good back-up C if he don't improve enough before. If DA decide to trade, Sexton, Clarkson are much better pieces and will help the tank. Actually i don't think tank is in danger, We will ended bottom 2 or 3. Hope the lottery balls go our way.
 
Take the emotion out of it. Its 2031... losing a player you like in Walker sucks but you end up with a top 3 pick and he is an All Star for sure and you think back to Walker... do you really have heart burn about it?
OK, lets do some math. Lets make a rather rosy assumption that in 2031 the Suns are most likely to finish with the 5th worst record. The odds of them getting the top 3 pick is 31% and the relevant compilation of stats gives about the 53% chance that the drafted in the top 3 player will be an All Star later in their career. That means that you are ready to trade Kessler for the 16% chance (1 out of 7) that this pick years later (10-12 years from now?) may become an All Star.
 
It's still not a black/white question. Any way you slice it, your chances of getting any position are better/worse depending on who you have on your team. There is some chance we are ahead or behind a certain team and any player that helps us win makes those chances worse. I've been vocal about the flattened odds and how they make it so that positioning is less significant, but it still matters. And we should probably be thinking about the tanking impact beyond this season as well.

Walker has a lot of value once we eventually make it to the other side of the tunnel, not sure a PHX 31 is worth it but we should be asking what that future value is for each of the players that are actually helping us win at the moment.

I like PHX 31 better than the "two firsts" asking price that's been out there. We know those two first are probably mid at best and we don't need any more crappy picks. I'd probably give up all of our remaining CLE picks for that PHX pick.
Nah... no way on the Cleveland thing. Even if Phoenix struggles there is infinity time for them to reload... especially if they don't have their picks they can go get FA and disgruntled mid tier stars. Its a really attractive FA market. There is also a time value of picks type of thing here. If I gave you a pick in the 10-20 range in 2025 is that worth a pick that has a 50% chance to be a top 10 pick in 7 years? Obviously it has trade value all the way through to 2031. I'm not saying it isn't but to say its worth more than 3 firsts is rich to me.

Its fairly black and white to me right now and I invented trading Walker for better draft positioning. If its the difference between 2nd and 4th well that sucks. I'm not sure it will be and he's the one young player that we have that projects to be a good starter, so if the tank starts to look shaky I will amend my position here. I wouldn't need a godfather offer but I wouldn't want any turds in the punchbowl... And Nurkic is a big turd. We have enough turds we are eating the next couple years and that is one turd too many for me to stomach. If he was an expiring deal or re-routed for an expiring deal I think I could give the thumbs up.
 
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