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2024 Rookie Extension Watch

KqWIN

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Deadline 4PM MT Today.

Contracts that are done:

  • Scottie Barnes (Raptors): Five years, maximum salary (story). Projected value of $224,238,150. Projected value can increase to $269,085,780 if Barnes meets Rose Rule performance criteria. Includes 15% trade kicker.
  • Cade Cunningham (Pistons): Five years, maximum salary (story). Projected value of $224,238,150. Projected value can increase to $269,085,780 if Cunningham meets Rose Rule performance criteria.
  • Evan Mobley (Cavaliers): Five years, maximum salary (story). Projected value of $224,238,150. Projected value can increase to $246,661,965 or $269,085,780 if Mobley meets Rose Rule performance criteria. Includes 15% trade kicker.
  • Franz Wagner (Magic): Five years, maximum salary (story). Projected value of $224,238,150. Projected value can increase to $246,661,965 or $269,085,780 if Wagner meets Rose Rule performance criteria.
  • Alperen Sengun (Rockets): Five years, $185,000,000 (story). Includes fifth-year player option.
  • Jalen Suggs (Magic): Five years, $150,500,000 (story).
  • Jalen Johnson (Hawks): Five years, $150,000,000 (story).
  • Trey Murphy (Pelicans): Four years, $112,000,000 (story).
  • Jalen Green (Rockets): Three years, $105,300,000 (story). Includes third-year player option and 10% trade kicker.
  • Corey Kispert (Wizards): Four years, $54,050,000 (story). Includes fourth-year team option.
  • Moses Moody (Warriors): Three years, $39,000,000 (story).

Here’s that list of those players, who are now eligible to become restricted free agents during the 2025 offseason, assuming they finish out their current contracts:

 
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Most interesting players from a Jazz perspective. Maybe not to acquire now, but potentially sometime in the future:

Jalen Green
Jonathon Kuminga
Alperen Sengun
Santi Aldama
Quentin Grimes (Trade him for Mitchell)
 
Most interesting players from a Jazz perspective. Maybe not to acquire now, but potentially sometime in the future:

Jalen Green
Jonathon Kuminga
Alperen Sengun
Santi Aldama
Quentin Grimes (Trade him for Mitchell)
Santi Aldama was the Jazz pick that was traded for Jared Butler. How did that work out?
 
Trey… great for NO
Green… huh? Too much based on current production the PO replaces upside with downside. Bad on the front end and back end… or what I call a @Hearsky ‘s mom deal.
Suggs… seems right.
Kispert… whatevs
 
I want to say that the Green deal is absolutely crazy especially given the PO….but tbh Cade’s max is probably the contract that would make me the most queasy.

A lot of people have mentioned HOU as a comparison to us, and it think it makes some sense. I don’t think they’re necessarily in a better/worse situation, but they are a couple years ahead. They’re now gonna have to start playing their players and that’s when things get real serious.

Sengun has every right to demand a max now. Next year, Jabari can still be completely mid and demand something close to a max like Green.

This decision making time will come for UTA soon.
 
I want to say that the Green deal is absolutely crazy especially given the PO….but tbh Cade’s max is probably the contract that would make me the most queasy.

A lot of people have mentioned HOU as a comparison to us, and it think it makes some sense. I don’t think they’re necessarily in a better/worse situation, but they are a couple years ahead. They’re now gonna have to start playing their players and that’s when things get real serious.

Sengun has every right to demand a max now. Next year, Jabari can still be completely mid and demand something close to a max like Green.

This decision making time will come for UTA soon.
I can see it with Cade more than Green tho. He just looks so much like a heat check scorer guy with superior athleticism but doesn't offer much except offense. Cade's injuries, coaching, and spacing issues give him a pass. I don't see Green as some huge upside guy.

Sengun's deal is good though and I think he is their best hope at having a star.
 
I can see it with Cade more than Green tho. He just looks so much like a heat check scorer guy with superior athleticism but doesn't offer much except offense. Cade's injuries, coaching, and spacing issues give him a pass. I don't see Green as some huge upside guy.

Sengun's deal is good though and I think he is their best hope at having a star.

In my eyes they are not that different both right now and for the future. My issue with Cade is that he's not good at the rim, shooting 3's, or getting to the FT line. The inability to get to the basket and score is the biggest red flag for me. Cade is tall, but he really isn't a standout athlete or ball handler. It seems like every summer people think Cade is like Luka and then he starts playing basketball. He is in a poor situation, I'll give him that, but he really didn't stand out as a "no brainer" full max guy with his track record. DET has beens terrible, but he was definitely part of that terribleness. No excuses now that he's surrounded with vets who can shoot.

With Green he's at least shown to be a good finisher around the basket and is a volume (albeit inaccurate) 3 point shooter. He's also improved as a defender and actually looks electric with his movement and athleticism. Having said that, he was around good players last year and still wasn't great so he doesn't have the excuses like Cade. He was the best player in the league for like two weeks though.

Green's contract is a unique kind of bad though because if he is good, he's opting out early and you have to pay him an incredible amount or lose him.
 
In my eyes they are not that different both right now and for the future. My issue with Cade is that he's not good at the rim, shooting 3's, or getting to the FT line. The inability to get to the basket and score is the biggest red flag for me. Cade is tall, but he really isn't a standout athlete or ball handler. It seems like every summer people think Cade is like Luka and then he starts playing basketball. He is in a poor situation, I'll give him that, but he really didn't stand out as a "no brainer" full max guy with his track record. DET has beens terrible, but he was definitely part of that terribleness. No excuses now that he's surrounded with vets who can shoot.

With Green he's at least shown to be a good finisher around the basket and is a volume (albeit inaccurate) 3 point shooter. He's also improved as a defender and actually looks electric with his movement and athleticism. Having said that, he was around good players last year and still wasn't great so he doesn't have the excuses like Cade. He was the best player in the league for like two weeks though.

Green's contract is a unique kind of bad though because if he is good, he's opting out early and you have to pay him an incredible amount or lose him.
I guess how I'd put the difference... with Cade there is a lot that has to come together, but if it does it could be great. He has some legit excuses imo but also its time to put up or shut up. I wouldn't love that contract and tbh if I was a team interested in trading for Cade... I'd be waiting a year (not that its even feasible to match salary on that deal) as he could have a Zach Lavine like turn to being a very hard contract to move.

Green's contract is tough to even trade. Say he is great this year... someone trading for 2 years? Probably but not trading as much if there were 3 positive years. If he sucks you signed up for one extra year of ***. And the money will start to get trickier. As a GM I think I would really really avoid player options if possible.
 
I guess a good way to think about it is... let's say you have the chance to take Green and his contract for nothing or Cade and his contract for nothing. You have to pay them on their new deals... so not "for nothing" in that sense. You taking Cade on a 5/224 or Green on a 3/106 PO on the final year? I'd take Cade but I'd be scared about it.
 
Jalen Johnson 150/5 also done.

I like that deal maybe the 2nd most behind the Sengun deal which is a bargain.
 
The Jalen Green contract is solid. He's a good player and 2 years is a small commitment. Doubt he opts into the player option with how big the contracts will be in 3 years. Seems like a win/win for both sides.
 
The Jalen Green contract is solid. He's a good player and 2 years is a small commitment. Doubt he opts into the player option with how big the contracts will be in 3 years. Seems like a win/win for both sides.
Yep. Anyone hating on that deal lacks perspective. It helps to give them another 2 years to figure out how this extremely young core fits together and if he's not a part of it then he's very tradable with that type of contract.
 
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