4 of the ten, Worst 4 lineups in the NBA.
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DutchJazzer
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Defense is 50% of the equation.
This is really an incredible post, incredible stats. 4th worst starting group in the league, constantly falling >10 pts behind every 4th quarter, yet getting the start game after game after game. But it is the easy way out for Ty, just close your eyes and start your solid vets.
So, you'd rather we had Portland's record?
GVC
Well-Known Member
Yeah.
I do find this interesting though:
Mo/Foye/Marvin/Millsap/Al is still the second most used lineup for the Jazz (188 minutes), and second last in +/- at -28.
While Jamaal/Foye/Marvin/Millsap/Al are -47 (426 minutes), Jamaal is +82 (565 minutes) in all other lineups.
GVC
Well-Known Member
No. If the youngs can get out and run, and keep Al from getting deep post position, I think they take it. If the olds are able to slow the game down and keep it in the halfcourt, I think they have a better shot at winning, especially with Mo in the lineup.
Isn't that kind of the point, though?
Ellipse
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I'm not against Foye as I use to be. For the first third of the season, Foye emitted a huge stench everytime he was on the floor, but that has change in the last dozen games or so. (Change in diet?) I think that earlier stretch has skewed the "worst" stats a lot and may not reflect the way the team is currently playing.
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This post in no way, shape, or form is to be taken as an endorsement of Ty the Blind. I do wish Ty the Blind tremendous luck, which would hopefully include an inheritance involving an island in the Caribbean, where he can immediately retire to a life of leisure.
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This post in no way, shape, or form is to be taken as an endorsement of Ty the Blind. I do wish Ty the Blind tremendous luck, which would hopefully include an inheritance involving an island in the Caribbean, where he can immediately retire to a life of leisure.
Yeah, they should get a medal and probably more playing time.
DeliveryBoy
Active Member
8-17 (or 32%). 22-7 against below .500 teams (about 76%).
So, yeah, if we somehow manage to play against below .500 teams in the playoffs, we'll be fine.
Yes. This appears to be our worst combination of players, statistically speaking. This also happens to be our starting lineup during the past 90 days. I can't imagine that the Jazz don't know this already, which is why I believe we're actually driving a slow tank, ...or we're dedicating the first quarter to showcase our upcoming FAs. If we ran better lineups and exploited mismatches in our favor, I think we could be competing with Memphis and Denver for the 4th seed.
I also think what this says is that we need players who are well rounded and versatile in order to be effective. Foye is a good shooter, but he's average at best on defense and he doesn't rebound much. Marvin Williams is a mediocre shooter, decent defender, and below-average rebounder. Tinsley is a decent playmaker, but not a skilled shooter, and also a fairly weak on-the-ball defender. Millsap has been limited offensively and struggles to guard longer PFs. Jefferson is slow out on the floor and isn't the most disciplined rebounder. This creates gaps out on the floor, basically seams, where players are only effective in limited areas or situations and they can be exploited elsewhere.
Every player in our starting rotation has weaknesses that hurt the team. But I don't think we can be that harsh on Jefferson and Millsap. ANY PF/C combination that plays with Tinsley, Marvin and Foye is going to lose ground.
If you look at our best-performing lineups from last year, they were led by Jefferson and Favors. The difference is that last year those guys were playing with Devin Harris, Gordon Hayward and either Paul Millsap or DeMarre Carroll. This year our backcourt has been a mess.
Every player in our starting rotation has weaknesses that hurt the team. But I don't think we can be that harsh on Jefferson and Millsap. ANY PF/C combination that plays with Tinsley, Marvin and Foye is going to lose ground.
If you look at our best-performing lineups from last year, they were led by Jefferson and Favors. The difference is that last year those guys were playing with Devin Harris, Gordon Hayward and either Paul Millsap or DeMarre Carroll. This year our backcourt has been a mess.
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No. It's the Foye + Marvin Williams supporters who should be running for the hills. Our best lineups in the past two years have been Jefferson/Favors/Sap or Carroll + any back court that doesn't suck eggs.
Any lineup with Foye in it is playing 4 on 5 when it comes to defense and rebounding. Any line-up with Marvin Williams in it is playing 4 on 5 when it comes to offense and rebounding.
