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[GVC]

...nice find...and I'm not disputing the statistical truth of the matter. However, we turn the ball over on what should have been a easy basket (we miss getting two points)....opponent gets turnovered ball...scores easy basket. Instead of being 2-0 us....it's now 2-0 them! 2 points subtracted plus 2 points added...is a 4 point swing! Times 2 turnovers is an 8 point swing! Maybe it could better be explained with this video!

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7106559846794044495&q=ma+and+pa+kettle

Had the Jazz not turned over the ball, the opposing team still would have kept their possession.

Scenario 1
Jazz: Score bucket
Opponent: Score bucket
Jazz: Score bucket
Opponent Score bucket
Score: 4 - 4

Scenario 2
Jazz: Turnover
Opponent: Score bucket
Jazz: Turnover
Opponent: Score bucket
Score: 4 - 0

That's a 4 point swing.

Opponents score only slightly more efficiently off turnovers than they do after made baskets. To count scoring off a turnover as 2 points and possessions after a made bucket 0 points is retarded. To count possessions that don't end in a turnover as 2 points is also pretty retarded.

2 turnovers = (roughly) a 2.5 point swing.

Please stop now.

Edit: Nice video, pa.

 

[carolinajazz]

.....score is 28 to 24 Jazz. Jazz have possession of the ball. They turn the ball over...on what would have made the score 30 to 24. But now, instead of 30 to 24 (6 point lead) the opponent scores....making it 28-26! No matter how you cut it...that's a 4 point swing! We should have 30 and they should have 24. But now, we still have 28 and they now have 26! X's two turnovers is 8 point swing!

 

[GVC]

I realize you're only goading me into responding. You win.

 

[LunaticWolf]

I realize you're only goading me into responding. You win.

Haven't you heard Boler and Harp talk about missing the easy two on our end, and the opponent hits a three on the other end? They call it a 5 point swing.

 

[carolinajazz]

Haven't you heard Boler and Harp talk about missing the easy two on our end, and the opponent hits a three on the other end? They call it a 5 point swing.

....X's two turnovers....is a 10 point swing! Let's settle this right here and now! We've cut back on our turnovers....and our winning percentage continues to go up! Turnovers = loses! Fewer turnovers = wins! Boozer on the team = more turnovers! Boozer off the team = less turnovers! Thus, Jazz minus Boozer X's 2 equals an 8 point swing!

 

[Bronco70]

This "swing" is an artificial quantifier. Think of it this way:

If there's a plate of cookies, and you were going to eat one, but are interrupted by your mom asking you to clean up your Barbie dolls from the stairs, then your brother comes along and eats 2, is he suddenly 3 cookies up on you?

 

[carolinajazz]

This "swing" is an artificial quantifier. Think of it this way:

If there's a plate of cookies, and you were going to eat one, but are interrupted by your mom asking you to clean up your Barbie dolls from the stairs, then your brother comes along and eats 2, is he suddenly 3 cookies up on you?

....correct!